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Post by almuric on Nov 23, 2016 19:32:00 GMT -5
I'm really getting tired of this creeping ninnyism that's infected our culture.
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Post by lordyam on Nov 23, 2016 23:24:10 GMT -5
I'm....more mixed. Yes, racism and sexism do still pose a problem in our society but attacking Conan board games isn't doing shit about it. If anything that's annoying because it's pussyfooting away from REAL Ways racism and sexism victimize people (like the DP for instance being disproportionately applied to black people who kill white people, the fact that republicans are trying to find ways to disenfrancise black voters)
What's more irritating is that you CAN get rid of some of the more racist elements without censoring it (case in point, a modern comic adaptation isn't going to have the "But I am not such a dog as to leave a white woman in the clutches of a black man “If you were old and ugly as the devil’s pet vulture, I’d take you away from Bajujh. simply because of the color of your hide.” lines.)
The key is moderation; In the DH comics Tim Truman created the character of Afreet; he's Conan's friend, he's hyrkanian and he's an all around cool guy, but the fact he's hyrkanian isn't really an issue aside from a few lines of dialogue where he's talking to Conan in casual conversation; he's a cool guy who happens to be middle eastern. In the Avenger series Diana (a blond girl) falls in love with Abit (a black dude.) They don't do the "tormented love story or how progressive.) They're two people who happen to love each other.
Or the character of Nightrunner, the "Muslim Batman"; he's a brave heroic guy who happens to be muslim. It doesn't go overboard with the POSITIVE REPRESENTATION GUYS.
PS
Jeffrey Shanks said in FAQ that the new Modiphius RPG wouldn't have the period racism, so I can understand making SOME changes. Don't go to far
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Post by robp on Nov 24, 2016 3:57:28 GMT -5
I'm....more mixed. Yes, racism and sexism do still pose a problem in our society but attacking Conan board games isn't doing shit about it. If anything that's annoying because it's pussyfooting away from REAL Ways racism and sexism victimize people (like the DP for instance being disproportionately applied to black people who kill white people, the fact that republicans are trying to find ways to disenfrancise black voters) +1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 16:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Nov 29, 2016 7:39:39 GMT -5
Good links, Hun! Keith West did an especially good job. In this link, neo-pulpster Brian Niemeier fisks Hornbeck's screed: www.brianniemeier.com/2016/11/fisking-kotakus-anti-conan-hit-piece.htmlHe points out how Hornbeck, since she took Asmodee's money to market the Conan game and then, after leaving the company, went on the attack, has abdicated any moral high ground in this. One thing I've yet to see brought up is that Belit isn't the only playable female character. Valeria and Zelata are also playable. If someone thinks that Monlith "objectified" or "sexualized" Zelata, then they are in the GILF brigade. I have to say I don't like that Conan pic. It's fairly lame in overall execution. I don't like his face. There's an overall "Ahnuldt" vibe going on. I'm not big on the "two swords" thing (and neither was REH). If that princess is supposed to in a "Pictish temple", then it's one such as Howard never described or even hinted at. I could see people like Hornbeck using the "mask-like" appearance of the helm to say that it "suggests" BDSM or something. The pic is just not up to the usual standard we've seen from Monolith in this game.
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Post by lordyam on Nov 29, 2016 12:05:10 GMT -5
Interesting article. I agree that hornbeck was being unethical.
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Post by deuce on Nov 29, 2016 14:56:15 GMT -5
If anyone needs to defend REH over this issue somewhere beyond this forum, feel free to use the info in the links found here: swordsofreh.proboards.com/post/837/threadOnly by the post-modernist/intersectional feminist definition could Howard be considered a true "misogynist".
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Post by lordyam on Nov 29, 2016 15:20:12 GMT -5
Agreed. Some of his views may seem old fashioned today but they never truly approached truly vile depths.
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Post by finarvyn on Dec 24, 2016 9:09:22 GMT -5
Lots of chatter so far, but no actual play reports.
Well, I got to play the game last night at a local game store and I loved it. A lot like HeroQuest, but a bit more complex and Conan-themed.
The characters are barbarian (Conan), wizard, thief, pirate. We didn't use the pirate. There are 4 different boards -- castle, village, ship, something else -- we did a village scenario. Basically, players have an objective and they try to accomplish it. Mine was to (1) rescue a princess, and (2) bring the head of the evil wizard off the map. And I had only 8 turns to do this. I failed to accomplish both objectives, having rescued the girl but not quite killing the wizard. (He had 1-2 hit points left at the end and I had no time to take the head off of the map even if I had killed him.) A lot of fun, but I had to run 3 characters which was tricky since I wasn't sure what I was doing yet.
Playing a character is interesting. You get these "gems" which are used for doing actions like picking a lock, moving extra spaces, making an attack better, casting a spell, re-rolling a die, or whatever. Problem is that you only "heal" a certain number of these per turn (you can be active or resting, which heals at a different rate) so those gems provide resource management. If you take damage those gems can be lost to you and that it like taking damage; you have fewer of them to play with later in the game.
This scenario had 8 items you could acquire in 8 locked chests, so if you cleared a hut from the village you could spend some gems to try to pick the lock and get the goodies therein. Random draw of some cards. I found chainmail, a healing potion, that kind of thing. The party works cooperatively but each character starts at a different location, so trading items is hard but possible if you move to the same spot. With only 8 turns to play with, however, not much time for this stuff.
The game master runs the monsters. They are all visible on the board at the start so no surprises. Monsters are placed on a special board in a specific sequence. The game master also has gems to spend to activate his monsters, but their cost is based on their placement on the special board. When the GM activates a monster for a turn he can move and attack, then that monster card is moved to the far end of the special board so that its cost becomes big. This makes the others cheaper as they slide over to the cheap side. Interesting strategy for the GM is that he can't always keep fighting with the best monsters or they would cost him a lot every turn, and his gems are limited as well, so he has to choose carefully what is cheap versus what is nearby or whatever.
Anyway, a lot of fun. The guy who ran the game bought it through a kickstart so he had more characters than you can find in the core game, but those expansions should be out soon. It would give more characters, more boards, more missions. I don't think that I mentioned before, but they suggest certain characters for particular scenarios (Conan is in every one of them) so that folks might not be so possessive of "their character" since that one might not be in the next storyline.
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Post by darthgall on Jan 13, 2017 17:25:03 GMT -5
Maybe a long shot but can't hurt to ask...
Any gamers in NW suburbs of Chicago (specifically in/around Lake Zurich)?
I'd love to try this out....
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Post by deuce on Jan 15, 2017 13:09:57 GMT -5
Maybe a long shot but can't hurt to ask... Any gamers in NW suburbs of Chicago (specifically in/around Lake Zurich)? I'd love to try this out.... Hey Darthgall! I believe we have a couple of members in the Chicago area. Would love to know how this plays. Good luck!
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Post by Fayn on Feb 17, 2017 3:26:26 GMT -5
Three expansions are available for the game now. Yogah of Yag, Kushite Witch Hunters and Crossbowmen (who I think are Aquilonian).
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Post by robp on Feb 17, 2017 5:02:37 GMT -5
I speed read a review of this in a UK gaming magazine last week. One thing that was mentioned quite a lot was REH's " sexism" and racial views
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Post by Fayn on Mar 12, 2017 23:22:00 GMT -5
The first expansion, Nordheim, is in development , to be released in the second quarter. I never picked up any of the other add-on sets, but I will probably get this expansion. It comes with 24 miniatures and a new game board. Despite a few minor complaints, it looks good.
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Post by deuce on Mar 14, 2017 9:38:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the update, Devis!
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