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Post by themirrorthief on Dec 23, 2016 13:11:01 GMT -5
yes I said it. I went to the latest one and left before it was over. It just the same old thing over and over...the rebels vs the Empire. Yeah, there were tons of explosions...lots and lots of computer stuff and bland one dimensional characters like yo have come to expect. Allied with Brad Pitt was a FAR superior movie in all respects yet nobody went to it. Yeah the first Star Wars was cool with all the cutting edge effects and the funny robots but now its just more of the same piled higher and higher. Wasn't there anything going on in a galaxy far away and a long time ago besides constant hopeless battle. Some empire, under constant attack and seemingly helpless to fight back to any real degree. Losing battle after battle and millions of storm troopers getting fried.
The only character I find remotely interesting is Bobba Fett...He is actually kind of cool and should have his own tv series. Ok, thats all...just sick of over hyped franchise flicks that retread the same old themes. The Suicide Squad was a lot better, at least it had Harley Quinn and a reasonable facsimile of a plot.
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Post by Erik on Dec 23, 2016 20:03:26 GMT -5
Well, you're definitely in the minority. The latest SW film is certified 85% fresh over at Rotten Tomatoes. I saw it last week and loved it: 4 1/2 out of 5 stars, in my book.
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Post by thedarkman on Dec 23, 2016 20:30:07 GMT -5
yes I said it. I went to the latest one and left before it was over. It just the same old thing over and over...the rebels vs the Empire. Yeah, there were tons of explosions...lots and lots of computer stuff and bland one dimensional characters like yo have come to expect. Allied with Brad Pitt was a FAR superior movie in all respects yet nobody went to it. Yeah the first Star Wars was cool with all the cutting edge effects and the funny robots but now its just more of the same piled higher and higher. Wasn't there anything going on in a galaxy far away and a long time ago besides constant hopeless battle. Some empire, under constant attack and seemingly helpless to fight back to any real degree. Losing battle after battle and millions of storm troopers getting fried. The only character I find remotely interesting is Bobba Fett...He is actually kind of cool and should have his own tv series. Ok, thats all...just sick of over hyped franchise flicks that retread the same old themes. The Suicide Squad was a lot better, at least it had Harley Quinn and a reasonable facsimile of a plot. Blasphemy!  |
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Post by savant on Dec 23, 2016 23:57:18 GMT -5
yes I said it. I went to the latest one and left before it was over. It just the same old thing over and over...the rebels vs the Empire. Yeah, there were tons of explosions...lots and lots of computer stuff and bland one dimensional characters like yo have come to expect. Allied with Brad Pitt was a FAR superior movie in all respects yet nobody went to it. Yeah the first Star Wars was cool with all the cutting edge effects and the funny robots but now its just more of the same piled higher and higher. Wasn't there anything going on in a galaxy far away and a long time ago besides constant hopeless battle. Some empire, under constant attack and seemingly helpless to fight back to any real degree. Losing battle after battle and millions of storm troopers getting fried. The only character I find remotely interesting is Bobba Fett...He is actually kind of cool and should have his own tv series. Ok, thats all...just sick of over hyped franchise flicks that retread the same old themes. The Suicide Squad was a lot better, at least it had Harley Quinn and a reasonable facsimile of a plot. Yeah I agree with you. The original films were pretty cool & interesting for their time I suppose. However when it concerns vasr galactic space opera franchises, I find Warhammer 40k to be vastly superior from a storytelling perspective. Many factions/races, shades of gray (no clear cut "good guy" or "bad guy") many different types of stories, etc. Hopefully a live action 40k film or tv show will be made someday. Here's a great article that points out why 40k has more going for it story wise: www.blackgate.com/2016/04/07/how-to-worldbuild-a-good-sandbox-four-rules-from-the-40k-universe/ |
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Post by robp on Dec 24, 2016 5:22:41 GMT -5
I agree with you!
First films, fine. I think the problem then is, that because this thing has become hugely successful they have to make more films. The problem is that the plot for the first one was written on the back of a cigarette packet. So they then have to retro-build the world/universe and try and fit in all those disparate little elements that were put in purely for dramatic effect.
Film wise I find the huge reliance on CGI these days is detracting from good plots and stories. The Avengers films are a good example. I enjoyed the first one, then....oh they save the world in a big CGI pitched battle again
Compare this with the richness of Tolkien or the detailed world-history of the Hyborian Age or even GoT. You can imagine all sorts of spin-off plots and in-depth storylines in those. The foundations have to be there before building the structure I think
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Post by Grim Wanderer on Dec 24, 2016 9:47:14 GMT -5
While I enjoyed Rogue One for what it was (it was much better than Force Awakens), I can see where you're coming from. There were several points in the film I felt they could have skipped and the battle sequences were overlong at times.
I would have preferred more Mission Impossible (think Cruise in the harness stealing the list) and a little less Dirty Dozen.
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Post by Von K on Dec 25, 2016 11:45:45 GMT -5
I've not seen Force Awakens yet but have followed some of the media discussing it.
Looks like Disney are planning to follow in the footsteps of Marvel with the Star Wars franchise. They have plans to produce several movie trilogies interspersed with standalones like Rogue One.
Force Awakens is what's known as a 'soft reboot' of the franchise. A hard reboot is when the studio literally starts from scratch and retells the original story. A soft reboot is when they still essentially retell the original story or one very similar but in a 'reskinned' form. It's kind of a way to hit all the genre beats and elements, but reskinned for a new generation, with some of the elements switched. Disney deliberately pitched for a 'fanservice' film and that's what Force Awakens became.
Rogue One is a mix between the war genre and star wars genre - much like for instance Captain America Winter Soldier blends Cold War style conspiracy thriller with Superhero. Some say that this change in tone in Rogue One means it no longer has the feel of a Star Wars film. I can see their point but can't elaborate more on that here without a big spoiler.
George Lucas pitched some ideas to Disney but they weren't interested. His principle is to always do something different each time, but it seems that Disney had already decided to take a creatively conservative approach with their first offering thus the fanservice focussed soft reboot approach that they ultimately took. With Rogue One they are starting to get a little more experimental, but still not willing yet to stray far from elements derived from the original trilogy.
I'm not alone in seeing Star Wars as Wuxia meets Space Opera, so there's already a bit of a genre blend there from the get go.
Grim Wanderer you're not alone with your 'Mission Impossible' preference. At least one reviewer out there said the same thing.
robp, your comment on modern cgi reliance came up a couple of times in reviews too.
That's just a (very) brief summary of some of the news about this that I've encountered on the interwebs.
Interestingly, the first examples of lightsabre style weapons, such that I can find, were in tales by Leigh Brackett and Edmond Hamilton
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Dec 27, 2016 22:39:25 GMT -5
I watched Rogue One and really enjoyed it.
Of great interest to me was seeing the recreation of several characters from the original 1977 movie, including a fantastic visualization of Leia Organa that was bizarrely realistic, a tidbit the Thief perhaps missed since he didn't finish the movie.
Although the possibilities for back stories leading up to A New Hope are literally endless, I thought the actual story they came up with was original and interesting.
Did the movie contain funny robots and space battles? I'll answer that question with another one: if any Star Wars movie didn't, would you go see it?
I thought the space battle about perfect, with a great deal of the fight scenes in the movie actually taking place on the ground.
For sure, lots of stormtroopers got wasted. But does anyone recall the line spoken during the briefing prior to attacking the death star:
"Many Bothans died to bring us this information"
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Plenty of alliance rebels also perish in the movie, and now we know to the full the story that lie hidden within that simple statement.
No, it's not A New Hope. But the movie actually exceeded my expectations which, after the prequels and the equally week Force Awakens, weren't terribly high.
To sum, I liked it.
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Dec 27, 2016 22:48:48 GMT -5
Since everyone is comparing Rogue One to other non-Star Wars movies (IE Allied, Mission Impossible, etc) I have to say I'd much prefer another season of Dark Matter myself to almost any movie franchise.
That is one gritty, well-scripted show.
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Post by themirrorthief on Dec 27, 2016 23:01:23 GMT -5
do yourself a favor and go see Assassin's Creed. Excellent movie with strong elements of sword and sorcery throughout. Also a sexy female assassin
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Post by ironhand on Dec 28, 2016 1:15:17 GMT -5
do yourself a favor and go see Assassin's Creed. Excellent movie with strong elements of sword and sorcery throughout. Also a sexy female assassin I was disappointed by Assassin's Creed. To much of the plot was unbelievable. |
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Post by themirrorthief on Dec 28, 2016 10:18:08 GMT -5
its tough to find a superhero movie that is believable
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 28, 2016 13:03:16 GMT -5
I was surprised how much I ended up enjoying it. After all the stuff about reshoots and trying to do something different with the franchise, I wasn't sure what to expect. But it kept me entertained and involved so mission accomplished. My main complaint about the film was technical: Gregg Tolland worked really hard to perfect the deep focus technique, yet Edwards and his DP chose only to keep what was right in front of you in focus. I was a little upset they lost that neat shot of Felicity heading to take on the TIE fighter, I really would like to know exactly how the whole third act was reworked.
There seems to be two groups: those that liked the film and those who didn't think it worked at all. After about two weeks it's sitting at $600 million worldwide, if it ends up around $1 billion, they have to be happy with the result.
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Post by themirrorthief on Dec 28, 2016 13:20:21 GMT -5
Im sad about Carrie Fisher but remember Lady Gaga has sold millions and millions of songs which proves people need to be told what they like
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Post by johnnypt on Dec 28, 2016 15:09:42 GMT -5
Some people are going to like different things and others aren't going to like them. People have been telling me since I was 8 how much I have to love 2001 since I like sci-fi. I've seen the movie 4 times and haven't liked it once. I get why some people do, but it just doesn't connect with me. You don't have to look further than this board, just mention John Milius's Conan the Barbarian :-) Sometimes the media does take a big role in pushing something, but at some point things are going to stand on their own and connect with people or they're not. Again, look where we are, how many more "popular" authors have fallen by the wayside but REH still resonates.
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