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Post by finarvyn on Mar 31, 2017 9:13:00 GMT -5
Apologies if this is too trivial, but I remember seeing somewhere a short list of the nations of REH's Hyboria and a quick blurb which would compare each to a real-world culture. Seems like this would be an excellent resource when reading the stories or if I wanted to run a RPG, so that I would have a quick stereotype for myself or my players. Anyone know where I might have seen this, or can someone come up with a quick list for me?
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Post by Fayn on Apr 2, 2017 13:39:59 GMT -5
There is a list in the new Conan rpg that has correlations of each nation and culture;
AQUILONIA: Medieval France ARGOS: Merchant-ruled Italy ASGARD AND VANAHEIM (NORDHEIM): Viking-age Denmark or Norway BARACHAN ISLES: The Caribbean Islands, particularly Tortuga BORDER KINGDOM: Baltic countries such as Estonia or Latvia BOSSONIAN MARCHES: Medieval Wales and/or Scotland BRYTHUNIA: Medieval Germany, Poland, or Lithuania CIMMERIA: Gaelic Ireland and Scotland CORINTHIA: Medieval Greece DARFAR, KESHAN, KUSH, PUNT, ZEMBABWEI, AND THE BLACK KINGDOMS: Ancient African kingdoms such as Darfur, Nubia, Kush, Somaliland, Zimbabwe, and others HYPERBOREA: Medieval Rus (Russia), particularly Novgorod HYRKANIA: A cross between Mongolia and Scythia IRANISTAN: Caliphate Iran KHAURAN: Medieval Syria KHITAI: Feudal-era China KHORAJA: Constantinople or the land known as Outremer KOTH: The Byzantine Empire NEMEDIA: The Germanic Holy Roman Empire OPHIR: Medieval Sicily or Malta PICTISH WILDERNESS: A combination of Scotland and Native American North America SHEM: The west is the Iron Age Levant (Canaan) and Assyria, and the east is Arabian STYGIA: Ancient Egypt TURAN: Seljuk Turkey VENDHYA: Mughal India ZAMORA: Persia, especially Baghdad ZINGARA: Reconquista-era Spain
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Post by themirrorthief on Apr 11, 2017 23:41:27 GMT -5
nice!
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Post by darthgall on Apr 13, 2017 19:38:37 GMT -5
I love the idea of this forum developing some sort of "Hyborian Visual Guide" where people could toss good historic art and pics of historic places (or even good evocative concept art from Deviant Art) into the analogous Hyborian nation... would make a great rpg resource! I'd just start it myself, but I'm a US govt employee and the govt computers block this site, and much of my web browsing is break time activity...
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Post by darthgall on Apr 14, 2017 14:18:36 GMT -5
Also, if one wanted to insert an Aztec / Mayan setting, where would you put it?
Hidden valley in southern Pictland?
Just toss in some uncharted island?
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Post by Char-Vell on Oct 23, 2018 14:41:16 GMT -5
So for pastiche purposes, a Hyborian quasi-Etruscan city-state would have to placed in/around Argos?
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Post by johnnypt on Oct 23, 2018 15:08:36 GMT -5
So for pastiche purposes, a Hyborian quasi-Etruscan city-state would have to placed in/around Argos? Pretty much. Not sure if I equate Ophir with Sicily or Malta, but it's their game.
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Post by keith on Dec 6, 2018 21:22:08 GMT -5
Also, if one wanted to insert an Aztec / Mayan setting, where would you put it? Hidden valley in southern Pictland? Just toss in some uncharted island?
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Post by keith on Dec 6, 2018 21:29:15 GMT -5
For the Hyborian Age Aztec/Mayan setting, I think you'd have to pick the Lake Zuad region of southern Stygia to which there are references in "Red Nails." The two demented feuding factions in the lost city of Xuchotl have Meso-American names like Xotalanc and Tecuhltli. Individuals are named Xatmec, Techotl, and Olmec. The generic name for this curious tribe is "Tlazitlan", which sounds a lot like "Aztlan", the original home of the Aztecs in their legends. The feuding maniacs in Xuchotl wipe each other out by the end of the story, but we can assume the Tlazitlans of the outer world, living by Lake Zuad, go on flourishing. Maybe their descendants migrated to Central America after the second cataclysm.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 1:40:35 GMT -5
For the Hyborian Age Aztec/Mayan setting, I think you'd have to pick the Lake Zuad region of southern Stygia to which there are references in "Red Nails." The two demented feuding factions in the lost city of Xuchotl have Meso-American names like Xotalanc and Tecuhltli. Individuals are named Xatmec, Techotl, and Olmec. The generic name for this curious tribe is "Tlazitlan", which sounds a lot like "Aztlan", the original home of the Aztecs in their legends. The feuding maniacs in Xuchotl wipe each other out by the end of the story, but we can assume the Tlazitlans of the outer world, living by Lake Zuad, go on flourishing. Maybe their descendants migrated to Central America after the second cataclysm. Sounds like an epic migration; heading through the steppes and desert beyond the Vilayet Sea avoiding the Great Mountains to the south and the warlike Cimmerian/Hyrkanian ancestors of the Scythians I'd imagine, would be a constant threat throughout the long migration.
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Post by fernando on Dec 7, 2018 13:23:41 GMT -5
Based upon talks I had with Deuce, I see Zamorans as a sedentary version of Gypsy people.
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Post by Fayn on May 2, 2019 10:38:10 GMT -5
For the Hyborian Age Aztec/Mayan setting, I think you'd have to pick the Lake Zuad region of southern Stygia to which there are references in "Red Nails." The two demented feuding factions in the lost city of Xuchotl have Meso-American names like Xotalanc and Tecuhltli. Individuals are named Xatmec, Techotl, and Olmec. The generic name for this curious tribe is "Tlazitlan", which sounds a lot like "Aztlan", the original home of the Aztecs in their legends. The feuding maniacs in Xuchotl wipe each other out by the end of the story, but we can assume the Tlazitlans of the outer world, living by Lake Zuad, go on flourishing. Maybe their descendants migrated to Central America after the second cataclysm. Sounds like an epic migration; heading through the steppes and desert beyond the Vilayet Sea avoiding the Great Mountains to the south and the warlike Cimmerian/Hyrkanian ancestors of the Scythians I'd imagine, would be a constant threat throughout the long migration. Indeed. I get the reference though, with the name similarities, but wouldn't the Hyborian Age Aztec/Mayans be located on a yet to be discovered continent far off the coast of Zingara and Argos?
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Post by fernando on May 6, 2019 16:23:52 GMT -5
Indeed. I get the reference though, with the name similarities, but wouldn't the Hyborian Age Aztec/Mayans be located on a yet to be discovered continent far off the coast of Zingara and Argos? Actually no. In REH's fiction, all people who dwelt in Hyborian Age's America were akin to the Stygians - see more of this in Marchers of Valhalla and The Gods of Bal-Sagoth. In other talk I had with Deuce Richardson by mailbox, he said me REH's America was populated by Aztec, Mayans and other proto-Amerindian people only in 4,000 BC and after - and I could confirm that by translating/reading The Vale of the Lost. Hope that helps.
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Post by kemp on Jul 11, 2019 8:40:43 GMT -5
Based upon talks I had with Deuce, I see Zamorans as a sedentary version of Gypsy people. I partly view them that way. The Gypsies ( Roma ) are a people with mysterious origins, and according to REH, the Gypsies descended from a mixture of Zamorans and Zingarans that were settled in the east by the Hyrkanians.
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Post by johnnypt on Mar 10, 2023 17:24:44 GMT -5
There is a list in the new Conan rpg that has correlations of each nation and culture; AQUILONIA: Medieval France ARGOS: Merchant-ruled Italy ASGARD AND VANAHEIM (NORDHEIM): Viking-age Denmark or Norway BARACHAN ISLES: The Caribbean Islands, particularly Tortuga BORDER KINGDOM: Baltic countries such as Estonia or Latvia BOSSONIAN MARCHES: Medieval Wales and/or Scotland BRYTHUNIA: Medieval Germany, Poland, or Lithuania CIMMERIA: Gaelic Ireland and Scotland CORINTHIA: Medieval Greece DARFAR, KESHAN, KUSH, PUNT, ZEMBABWEI, AND THE BLACK KINGDOMS: Ancient African kingdoms such as Darfur, Nubia, Kush, Somaliland, Zimbabwe, and others HYPERBOREA: Medieval Rus (Russia), particularly Novgorod HYRKANIA: A cross between Mongolia and Scythia IRANISTAN: Caliphate Iran KHAURAN: Medieval Syria KHITAI: Feudal-era China KHORAJA: Constantinople or the land known as Outremer KOTH: The Byzantine Empire NEMEDIA: The Germanic Holy Roman Empire OPHIR: Medieval Sicily or Malta PICTISH WILDERNESS: A combination of Scotland and Native American North America SHEM: The west is the Iron Age Levant (Canaan) and Assyria, and the east is Arabian STYGIA: Ancient Egypt TURAN: Seljuk Turkey VENDHYA: Mughal India ZAMORA: Persia, especially Baghdad ZINGARA: Reconquista-era Spain I was actually just thinking about this to include in the "annotations" podcast that'll either be right after part 7 or a separate episode and couldn't figure out what Koth would represent. This basically works. From what's not here, Afghulistan is obvious, what would Kosala represent? Indonesia?
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