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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2021 3:02:07 GMT -5
Fascinating Charles Bronson interview with Bronson discuss his early years working in the mines - this is the type of guy that should've played Conan back in the day. He also talks about his Mongolian ancestry (Lipka Tatar) and of the Mongolian Blue Spot. And of course, the Valachi Papers movie produced by our friend Dino De Laurentiis. Charles Bronson on The Concerns For Releasing The Valachi Papers | The Dick Cavett ShowLinks: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipka_Tatarsen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot#Prevalence |
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Post by kemp on Mar 28, 2021 7:51:41 GMT -5
Had no idea that Charles Bronson had Mongolian or Tatar ancestry, although he could have easily pulled it off playing Attila with his looks and bearing in the 1970's. Back in the early 60's could have played a younger Conan. I seem to recall reading somewhere that Yul Brynner also had Mongolian or Siberian Turkic ancestry.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 16:20:20 GMT -5
Had no idea that Charles Bronson had Mongolian or Tatar ancestry, although he could have easily pulled it off playing Attila with his looks and bearing in the 1970's. Back in the early 60's could have played a younger Conan. I seem to recall reading somewhere that Yul Brynner also had Mongolian or Siberian Turkic ancestry. Yeah, I remember he claimed to be descendant of a Mongol khan or princess, but it seems like his mother was of part Buryat (Mongolic people of Lake Baikal area) descent. Could even be of Tungusic origin? They tend to be the overlooked and often forgotten group of the Altaic peoples. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 2:09:20 GMT -5
At last, some English translations of the Chinese sources, all we need now is the Yuanshi (History of the Mongol Yuan Dynasty).  The Rise of the Mongols: Five Chinese SourcesEdited and Translated, with an Introduction, by Christopher P. Atwood Rise of the Mongols offers readers a selection of five important works that detail the rise of the Mongol Empire through Chinese eyes. Three of these works were written by officials of South China's Southern Song dynasty and two are from officials from North China writing in the service of the Mongol rulers. Together, these accounts offer a view of the early Mongol Empire very different not just from those of Muslim and Christian travelers and chroniclers, but also from the Mongol tradition embodied in The Secret History of Mongols.
The five Chinese source texts (in English translation, each with their own preface):
Selections from Random Notes from Court and Country since the Jianyan Years, vol.2, by Li Xinchuan
"A Memorandum on the Mong-Tatars," by Zhao Gong
"A Sketch of the Black Tatars," by Peng Daya and Xu Ting
"Spirit-Path Stele for His Honor Yelü, Director of the Secretariat," by Song Zizhen
"Notes on a Journey," by Zhang Dehui
Also included are an introduction, index, bibliography, and appendices covering notes on the texts, tables and charts, and a glossary of Chinese and transcribed terms.
cloth (no dust jacket) 978-1-64792-002-9 $48.00 Paper 978-1-62466-990-3 $16.00 Forthcoming - September 2021 - 264 pp. Amazon Link: www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Mongols-Five-Chinese-Sources/dp/1624669905/www.amazon.com/Rise-Mongols-Five-Chinese-Sources/dp/1624669905/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 1:43:08 GMT -5
Interesting glimpse into the art of the Northern Wei Dynasty (386-534) with this recently discovered tomb. The founders of the Dynasty were originally descendants of the Touba (probably Tabgach in their own language) clan of the Xianbei confederation from Eastern Mongolia and Manchuria. They can best be described as an Altaic speaking confederation of tribes with Turkic, Mongol and Tungusic elements according to the extant evidence. The Touba had no script of their own, but fortunately, on rare occasions they did adapt the Chinese characters in their own language, hardly ideal for an Altaic language, nevertheless, this script was further developed by the Mongolic Khitans in the 10th century. According to the deciphered words to date, the Touba seem to have spoken some kinda Turko-Mongolian language, probably a little closer to Mongol. Most of the deciphered words can be found in both languages, to confuse things even further, some words appear to be more common in one of the two languages or not found in the other: it seems less can be attributed to Turkic than Mongol. A precious fresco tomb of the Northern Wei Dynasty found in Datong, ShanxiApril 01, 2021 17:24 (Xinhua) Xinhuanet reported on March 31 that the Shanxi Provincial Institute of Archaeology released the latest archaeological results stating that archaeologists discovered a Northern Wei Dynasty brick mural tomb in Datong, Shanxi. The murals, lacquered wood coffins, silk textiles, and lacquerware in the tomb were well preserved. Very rare.
 From August to December 2020, the Archaeological Research Institute of Datong City carried out archaeological excavations at the Northern Wei Dynasty Cemetery in Qili Village, Pingcheng District, Datong. A total of 86 tombs of the Northern Wei Dynasty were cleared, of which there was only one brick mural tomb. It faces south and is a single-chambered brick tomb with a rectangular slope tomb. The total length is 24.12 meters from north to south, and the bottom of the tomb is 9.3 meters deep from the ground. The tomb has not been stolen, and the original burial style has been retained.
 The important thing is that there are exquisite murals painted on the four walls and the top of the tomb. The main contents are travel, living, feasting, couples sitting together, hunting, lotus pictures, etc. A complete lacquered wood coffin is preserved in the tomb, among the rich burial objects. There are well-preserved silk textiles, clothing and many pieces of lacquerware.
"Datong belongs to the Loess Plateau. The underground environment is not conducive to the long-term preservation of lacquered woodware. However, there are lacquered wood coffins, lacquerware, silk textiles, and murals in this tomb, which are rare in local archaeology." Deputy Datong City Archaeological Institute Director Hou Xiaogang said. Hou Xiaogang said that the discovery of a complete Northern Wei lacquered wood coffin is helpful for a comprehensive understanding of the shape and production process of the Northern Wei wooden coffin; the exquisite murals in the tomb provide precious image information for understanding the life style of the Northern Wei Dynasty; and the lacquerware is for studying the production of lacquered wood in the northern region The process provides physical information. At present, these cultural relics have been sent to relevant departments to strengthen protection and...
Source (English translation thanks to Googletranslate): collection.sina.com.cn/yjjj/2021-04-01/doc-ikmyaawa3476769.shtml |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 0:29:24 GMT -5
Ancient genomes reveal insights into horse-riding Scythian warriors An aerial view of Hun-Xianbi culture burials. Both horses and warriors can be identified. Photo: Zainolla SamashevThe ancient Greek, Roman, Persian and Chinese empires all left multiple accounts of the customs and practices of the feared horse warriors that came from the interior lands of Eurasia.
They were the Scythians, whose horse-riding exploits became the stuff of legends.
Still, despite this important evidence from external sources, little is known about Scythian history.
They did not have a written language.
Indeed, scientists are still uncertain about the language or languages they spoke, where they came from, and the extent to which the various cultures that spread across such a huge area were related.
A new study published in the journal Science Advances analyzes genome-wide data for 111 ancient individuals spanning the Central Asian Steppe from the first millennia BCE and CE.
The results reveal new insights into the genetic events associated with the origins, development and decline of the Scythians.
The Scythians have been revealed as a multitude of Iron Age cultures who ruled the Eurasian steppe.
They played a major role in Eurasian history, exerting major influences on the cultures of their powerful neighbors, spreading new technologies such as saddles and other improvements for horse riding.
The fresh research by an international team of geneticists, anthropologists and archeologists, led by scientists from the Archaeogenetics Department of the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History in Jena, Germany, targeted ancient genomes from key Scythian and non-Scythian archaeological cultures of the Central Asian steppe.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 0:34:20 GMT -5
Ancient genomes reveal insights into horse-riding Scythian warriors: Conclusion
The results of their analysis reveal that substantial genetic turnovers were associated with the decline of the long-lasting Bronze Age sedentary groups and the rise of Scythian nomad cultures in the Iron Age.
Their findings show that, following the relatively homogenous ancestry of the late Bronze Age herders, at the turn of the first millennium BCE, influxes from the east, west and south into the steppe formed new admixed gene pools. The study goes even further, identifying at least two main sources of origin for the nomadic Iron Age groups.
An eastern source likely originated from populations in the Altai Mountains that, during the course of the Iron Age, spread west and south, admixing as they moved.
These genetic results match with the timing and locations found in the archeological record and suggest an expansion of populations from the Altai area, where the earliest Scythian burials are found, connecting different renowned cultures such as the Saka, the Tasmola and the Pazyryk found in southern, central and eastern Kazakhstan respectively.
Surprisingly, the groups located in the western Ural Mountains descend from a second separate, but simultaneous source.
Contrary to the eastern case, this western gene pool, characteristic of the early Sauromatian-Sarmatian cultures, remained largely consistent through the westward spread of the Sarmatian cultures from the Urals into the Pontic-Caspian steppe.
The study also covers the transition period after the Iron Age, revealing new genetic turnovers and admixture events.
These events intensified at the turn of the first millennium CE, concurrent with the decline and then disappearance of the Scythian cultures in the Central Steppe.
In this case, the new far eastern Eurasian influx is plausibly associated with the spread of the nomad empires of the Eastern steppe in the first centuries CE, such as the Xiongnu and Xianbei confederations, as well as minor influxes from Iranian sources likely linked to the expansion of Persian-related civilization from the south.
Although many of the open questions on the history of the Scythians cannot be solved by ancient DNA alone, this study demonstrates how much the populations of Eurasia have changed and intermixed through time. Future studies should continue to explore the dynamics of these trans-Eurasian connections by covering different periods and geographic regions, revealing the history of connections between west, central and east Eurasia in the remote past and their genetic legacy in present-day Eurasian populations.
link: www.horsetalk.co.nz/2021/04/04/ancient-genomes-insights-horse-riding-scythian-warriors/Original source of article: advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/13/eabe4414
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 1:09:01 GMT -5
The Scythians: Nomad Warriors of the Steppe | Barry Cunliffe | Talks at Google
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Sir Barry Cunliffe has been Professor of European Archaeology at the University of Oxford for 35 years and is Fellow of the British Academy. In this talk, he discusses his new book "The Scythians: Nomad Warriors of the Steppe", a masterful reconstruction of the lost world of The Scythians, who were brilliant horsemen and great fighters ranging wide across the Asian steppe during the first millennium BC.
If you wanna find more I have included the details and Amazon link to Barry Cunliffe's recent book on the Scythians below:  Barry Cunliffe, The Scythians: Nomad Warriors of the Steppe, Oxford University Press (December 1, 2019) Description:
Brilliant horsemen and great fighters, the Scythians were nomadic horsemen who ranged wide across the grasslands of the Asian steppe from the Altai mountains in the east to the Great Hungarian Plain in the first millennium BC. Their steppe homeland bordered on a number of sedentary states to the south - the Chinese, the Persians and the Greeks - and there were, inevitably, numerous interactions between the nomads and their neighbours. The Scythians fought the Persians on a number of occasions, in one battle killing their king and on another occasion driving the invading army of Darius the Great from the steppe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 17:10:36 GMT -5
The Unknown Script of the TuyuhunDiscovered on the 25th September 2019 in Gansu, China. The tomb of Murong Zhi, 3rd son of last khan of the Tuyuhun kingdom, who died in 691AD aged 42. According to Alexander Vovin the Tuyuhun spoke a Mongolic language.  The stone epitaph identifies the occupant of the tomb "大周故慕容府君墓誌" apparently translates as "Tomb epitaph for the deceased Lord Murong of the Great Zhou".  The unknown script that may have some kinda relationship to Khitan Large ScriptPotentially, there may be a connection between the unknown script found on the side of the epitaph and the Mongolian Khitan Large Script adapted by the 10th century conquerors of Northern China. Until recently the earliest written Mongolian dated to the 13th century during the reign of Genghis Khan. In the last couple of years this has all changed. The earliest extant written Mongolian now dates back to the late Avar (Rouran) or early Türk era (known as Göktürks by historians) in the 6th century (Hüis Tolgoi inscriptions in Bulgan, Mongolia). By the 4th century the nomadic Altaic (Turkic, Mongol & Tungusic) conquerors of China adapted the Chinese script to transcribe their own languages. If linguists can decipher the script and identify the language spoken by the Tuyuhun it will contribute immensely to the study of Altaic languages. Some photos I found at a Mongolian twitter account and a Chinese website of Murong Zhi's tomb:     His wooden coffin is covered with silk cloth with Marching Elephants   Wikl link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuyuhun
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 16:17:53 GMT -5
...should not go to Mongolia without uploading a recent video by the HU:
The HU - Sad But True (Official Music Video)
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Post by kemp on Jun 26, 2021 9:16:28 GMT -5
The Unknown Script of the TuyuhunDiscovered on the 25th September 2019 in Gansu, China. The tomb of Murong Zhi, 3rd son of last khan of the Tuyuhun kingdom, who died in 691AD aged 42. According to Alexander Vovin the Tuyuhun spoke a Mongolic language. The stone epitaph identifies the occupant of the tomb "大周故慕容府君墓誌" apparently translates as "Tomb epitaph for the deceased Lord Murong of the Great Zhou". The unknown script that may have some kinda relationship to Khitan Large ScriptPotentially, there may be a connection between the unknown script found on the side of the epitaph and the Mongolian Khitan Large Script adapted by the 10th century conquerors of Northern China. Until recently the earliest written Mongolian dated to the 13th century during the reign of Genghis Khan. In the last couple of years this has all changed. The earliest extant written Mongolian now dates back to the late Avar (Rouran) or early Türk era (known as Göktürks by historians) in the 6th century (Hüis Tolgoi inscriptions in Bulgan, Mongolia). By the 4th century the nomadic Altaic (Turkic, Mongol & Tungusic) conquerors of China adapted the Chinese script to transcribe their own languages. If linguists can decipher the script and identify the language spoken by the Tuyuhun it will contribute immensely to the study of Altaic languages. Some photos I found at a Mongolian twitter account and a Chinese website of Murong Zhi's tomb: His wooden coffin is covered with silk cloth with Marching ElephantsWikl link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuyuhun Interesting tomb finds, look at the detail of the elephants on the wooden coffin. A Mongolian language spoken as far south as the Tuyuhun kingdom, impressive when you consider that it borders the Tibetan Himalayas. Than again, the Mongols made incursions into both India and parts of south east Asia at various times. Could not help but notice the Khitans in the eastern parts of the Rouran Khaganate. What little I have read about the historical Khitans notes that they were a Mongolic nomadic people from north east Asia, associated with Khitai during the Liao dynasty, the name 'Cathay' used by some Eurasian peoples in association with China, although the name origin of China was probably non Mongolian. Having said that, the Mongolian influence on the formation of the early Chinese nation or dynasties was extensive to say the least. |
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Post by kemp on Jul 27, 2021 10:08:48 GMT -5
...should not go to Mongolia without uploading a recent video by the HU: The HU - Sad But True (Official Music Video)Looking for some good music, stopped on this forum, remembered you had some cool metal from a Mongolian band or two. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 4:39:25 GMT -5
Cambridge shows ancient gold Kazakh warrior treasures in UK first Treasures from burial mounds of the Saka people of Kazakhstan will be on show in Cambridge Gold artefacts belonging to ancient warriors buried about 2,700 years ago are being displayed in the UK for the first time.
The treasures from Saka burial mounds in East Kazakhstan will be on show at the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge.
The Saka were nomadic people of Iranian origin.
Items including jewellery and horse harness ornaments will be displayed and researchers will be studying them using non-invasive technology.
Saka warriors and the "elite" were buried in mounds with their horses and treasures, but most have been looted over the years.
 A gold stag inlaid with turquoise will be among items on showHowever, archaeologists found the intact burial place of a teenage archer, aged about 18.
His grave had apparently been sheltered by a rockfall and artefacts found there in the past three years will be among those on show.
 This dagger sheath has turquoise and lapis lazuli inlaysThe young archer's burial mound is only the second intact example unearthed in the country and was discovered at the Eleke Sazy burial mounds in the east of Kazakhstan.
The remains of the first so-called "golden man" were found in the south of the country in 1969.
The Saka culture of central Asia flourished from about the 8th Century BC to the 3rd Century BC, and was largely unknown outside of Kazakhstan, the museum said.
 This earring is made with beads and has a leaf arrow-shaped pendantThe Fitzwilliam exhibition will display finds from three burial complexes in eastern Kazakhstan - Berel, Shilikti and Eleke Sazy - and will include a reconstruction of the burial of the teenage archer.
The loaned artefacts will be on display thanks to a partnership between the museum and the East Kazakhstan Regional Museum of Local History, and are described as "incredibly important" by Fitzwilliam director Luke Syson.
Danial Akhmetov, governor of the East Kazakhstan region of the Republic of Kazakhstan, said: "This exhibition will present Kazakhstan's most outstanding archaeological discovery of recent years.
"It has been proven that the Saka created truly unique jewellery masterpieces, using technological processes that were advanced for their time, and constructed grandiose and exceptionally complex religious, funerary and memorial monuments," he said.
The "exceptional state of preservation" of the undisturbed archer's burial mound would bring new opportunities for scientists to study the "religion, world view and funeral rites of the early Saka people", he added.
Gold of The Great Steppe will open at the Fitzwilliam Museum on 28 September and run until 30 January.
Source: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-58146238
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 14:06:10 GMT -5
A couple of teaser trailers for the new Turkish series Alpaslan: The Great Selchuk (Alparslan: Büyük Selçuklu)
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