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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 2:18:21 GMT -5
 Genghis Khan's grandson Kublai hunting by Liu Guandao
Here's an excerpt demonstrating the annual hunting exercise (sometimes called Nerge) introduced by Genghis Khan, at least according to Juviani: He paid great attention to the chase and used to say that the hunting of wild beasts was a proper occupation for the commanders of armies ; and that instruction and training therein was incumbent on warriors and men-at-arms, [who should learn] how the huntsmen come up with the quarry, how they hunt it, in what manner they array themselves and after what fashion they surround it according as the party is great or small. For when the Mongols wish to go a-hunting, they first send out scouts to ascertain what kinds of game are available and whether it is scarce or abundant. And when they are not engaged in warfare, they are ever eager for the chase and encourage their armies thus to occupy themselves ; not for the sake of the game alone, but also in order that they may become accustomed and inured to hunting and familiarized with the handling of the bow and the endurance of hardships. Whenever the Khan sets out on the great hunt (which takes place at the beginning of the winter season), he issues orders that the troops stationed around his headquarters and in the neighbourhood of the ordus shall make preparations for the chase, mounting several men from each company often in accordance with instructions and distributing such equipment in the way of arms and other matters as are suitable for the locality where it is desired to hunt. The right wing, left wing and centre of the army are drawn up and entrusted to the great emirs; and they set out together with the Royal Ladies (khatun) and the concubines, as well as provisions of food and drink. For a month, or two, or three they form a hunting ring and drive the game slowly and gradually before them, taking care lest any escape from the ring. And if, unexpectedly, any game should break through, a minute inquiry is made into the cause and reason, and the commanders of thousands, hundreds and tens are clubbed therefor, and often even put to death. And if (for example) a man does not keep to the line (which they call Nerge) but takes a step forwards or backwards, severe punishment is dealt out to him and is never remitted. For two or three months, by day and by night, they drive the game in this manner, like a flock of sheep, and dispatch messages to the Khan to inform him of the condition of the quarry, its scarcity or plenty, whither it has come and from whence it has been started. Finally, when the ring has been contracted to a diameter of two or three parasangs, they bind ropes together and cast felts over them ; while the troops come to a halt all around the ring, standing shoulder to shoulder. The ring is now filled with the cries and commotion of every manner of game and the roaring and tumult of every kind of ferocious beast ; all thinking that the appointed hour of ' And when the mid leasts shall le gathered together’ is come ; lions becoming familiar with wild asses, hyaenas friendly with foxes, wolves intimate with hares. When the ring has been so much contracted that the wild beasts are unable to stir, first the Khan rides in together with some of his retinue ; then, after he has wearied of the sport, they dismount upon high ground in the centre of the Nerge to watch the princes likewise entering the ring, and after them, in due order, the Noyans, the commanders and the troops. Several days pass in this manner ; then, when nothing is left of the game but a few wounded and emaciated stragglers, old men and greybeards humbly approach the Khan, offer up prayers for his well-being and intercede for the lives of the remaining animals asking that they be suffered to depart to some place nearer to grass and water. Thereupon they collect together all the game that they have bagged; and if the enumeration of every species of animal proves impracticable they count only the beasts of prey and the wild asses. Pages 27-28, Juviani (translated by John Boyle), History of the World Conqueror , Manchester, 1958
Thanks Hun. This is very similar to Lamb’s account that was no doubt mostly based on a previous translation of this source, spiced with a few details from other sources. Juvaini’s History isn’t mentioned in the main text, notes or index of Lamb’s version but it is included in the bibliography. Yeah, it can be a huge problem when it comes to the original sources, especially if it is translated from Persian to Russian, then French and finally English, or something like that. I think the Nerge is mentioned in European sources during the Mongolian Empire as well, William of Rubruck if I remember correctly. Harold Lamb, like most scholars to this day prefer Rashid-al-Din over Juvaini, despite the fact he actually witnessed the Mongol conquest of Persia, but tells us very little about the early years of Genghis Khan. Juvaini can also be a little wordy, to say the least, in the translation I read, anyways. I should add that Harold Lamb probably had the linguistic skills to translate some of the original sources himself, more likely the Persian sources. |
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 18, 2020 17:49:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 1:26:38 GMT -5
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Post by Von K on Aug 20, 2020 7:15:03 GMT -5
The Sarmatians seem to turn up in quite a surprising number of places after some of them became Roman auxilia.
I recently read that the Irish record buying off Sarmatian auxilia during the Roman occupation of Britain and giving them land in Ireland. The Irish Fennian tribes, obsessed with horse archery, apparently brought many Scythians and Sarmatians to Ireland, where they were given several colonies, as well as Irish wives. There may have been significant numbers of them among the Dal Riadans who went on to form Alba and later Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 13:54:26 GMT -5
The Sarmatians seem to turn up in quite a surprising number of places after some of them became Roman auxilia. I recently read that the Irish record buying off Sarmatian auxilia during the Roman occupation of Britain and giving them land in Ireland. The Irish Fennian tribes, obsessed with horse archery, apparently brought many Scythians and Sarmatians to Ireland, where they were given several colonies, as well as Irish wives. There may have been significant numbers of them among the Dal Riadans who went on to form Alba and later Scotland. Yeah, the Sarmatians/Alans are fascinating. Here's a link to an old post with a great looking book, a little on the expensive side though. swordsofreh.proboards.com/post/19072/thread |
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Post by Von K on Aug 24, 2020 8:48:48 GMT -5
You're right about the price Hun but that book looks to be fantastic. There's even a brief mention of the historical Cimmerians judging by the contents list.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 13:17:22 GMT -5
Here's a trailer for the upcoming Turkish/Uzbek TV series based on the life of Jalal-ad-Din, the son of Muhammad II, the last Shah of Khwarazm. Yeah, the same Muhammad of Khwarazm that underestimated Genghis Khan in the 13th century leading to the devastating Mongol invasion of Central Asia and beyond. Mendirman Celaleddin (Turkish title) trailer
A couple of helpful links from wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalal_ad-Din_Mingburnuen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_II_of_Khwarazm |
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Post by kemp on Nov 15, 2020 1:15:58 GMT -5
Here's a trailer for the upcoming Turkish/Uzbek TV series based on the life of Jalal-ad-Din, the son of Muhammad II, the last Shah of Khwarazm. Yeah, the same Muhammad of Khwarazm that underestimated Genghis Khan in the 13th century leading to the devastating Mongol invasion of Central Asia and beyond. Mendirman Celaleddin (Turkish title) trailer
A couple of helpful links from wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalal_ad-Din_Mingburnuen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_II_of_KhwarazmProduction looks impressive, and I got the gist of what was happening, even though I could not understand a word of what was being said. Just add English subtitles and I would definitely give it a shot. |
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Post by kemp on Nov 15, 2020 1:28:11 GMT -5
This also looks like it would be worth checking out. It revolves around the Battle of Manzikert, which occurred in 1071, a battle in which the Byzantines under the emperor Romanus IV Diogenes were defeated by the Seljuq Turks led by the sultan Alp-Arslan (meaning "Heroic Lion" in Turkish). The Battle of Manzikert played an important role in breaking the Byzantine resistance and preparing the way for the Turkish settlement in Anatolia.
Malazgirt 1071
(SUBTITLES) Behind the Scenes of MALAZGIRT 1071 | New Turkish Movie in Pakistan | Cengiz Coşkun. Commentary in English.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 1:54:46 GMT -5
Here's a trailer for the upcoming Turkish/Uzbek TV series based on the life of Jalal-ad-Din, the son of Muhammad II, the last Shah of Khwarazm. Yeah, the same Muhammad of Khwarazm that underestimated Genghis Khan in the 13th century leading to the devastating Mongol invasion of Central Asia and beyond. Mendirman Celaleddin (Turkish title) trailer
A couple of helpful links from wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalal_ad-Din_Mingburnuen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_II_of_KhwarazmProduction looks impressive, and I got the gist of what was happening, even though I could not understand a word of what was being said. Just add English subtitles and I would definitely give it a shot. I managed to find a trailer with English subs. One thing I like about this series is that the 1st season will consist of 13 1 hour episodes. Unlike all the other Turkish dramas which last around 2 and a half hours per episode, and that's without the adverts. I don't think they like to edit anything out, maybe they don't have editors, I dunno. Hopefully this series will be different. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 9:23:48 GMT -5
This also looks like it would be worth checking out. It revolves around the Battle of Manzikert, which occurred in 1071, a battle in which the Byzantines under the emperor Romanus IV Diogenes were defeated by the Seljuq Turks led by the sultan Alp-Arslan (meaning "Heroic Lion" in Turkish). The Battle of Manzikert played an important role in breaking the Byzantine resistance and preparing the way for the Turkish settlement in Anatolia. Malazgirt 1071 (SUBTITLES) Behind the Scenes of MALAZGIRT 1071 | New Turkish Movie in Pakistan | Cengiz Coşkun. Commentary in English. Looks like Cengiz Coşkun will also star in a new Turkish TV series as the Ottoman Sultan Selim the Grim. I'll add some extra info soon. Wiki link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selim_I |
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Post by kemp on Nov 17, 2020 8:54:05 GMT -5
Considering that Selim I significantly expanded the Ottoman Empire in the middle east I would think the audience would expect nothing less than epic from the series based on the historical figure.
Keep the info coming in Hunnish warrior.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 16:56:18 GMT -5
Ergun Cagatay & Dogan Kuban (Editors) ,The Turkic Speaking Peoples: 2,000 Years of Art And Culture from Inner Asia to the Balkans, Prestel, 2006
Description:
This comprehensive study of one of history's most powerful and influential civilizations examines the rich heritage of the Turkic culture.
Since 600 A.D. the Turkic culture has imbued Europe and Asia with a cultural history rich in art and literature. From the first nomadic tribes traveling from central Asia to the Mediterranean, through the rise of the Ottoman Empire, to the present day, this book explores the practices and beliefs of the Turkic-speaking peoples. It compares and contrasts the Turkic peoples' historical and modern social and political significance in the regions they inhabit, and their relationships with neighboring cultures. Representing the work of nearly two decades, this lavishly illustrated volume featuring images from an award-winning photographer allows readers to discover a civilization and to understand its role in the world today.
Dogan Kuban is a professor of the History of Architecture at Istanbul Technical University and the author of numerous publications on the history and culture of Turks and Muslims.
Ergun Cagatay is photographer, who has worked for the Associate Press and later the Gamma Agency in Paris. His photographs have appeared in major international magazines.Here's a new book by Ergun Cagatay:  Ergun Cagatay with an introduction by Caroline Eden, The Land of the Anka Bird: A journey through the Turkic heartlands, Cornucopia Books, 17 December 2020Description:
'The Land of the Anka Bird: A journey through the Turkic heartland' is a reflective visual essay introducing the powerful images of the pioneering Turkish journalist-turned-photographer Ergun Cagatay. The book explores the cultural landscape and geography of the vast Turkic-speaking lands, from the mercantile cities of Uzbekistan to little-explored pockets of the Baltic and European Russia and the steppelands of Kazakhstan and Mongolia. It is clear that while divided by distance, the diverse Turkic peoples share far more than a linguistic heritage. Deep cultural connections highlight great mobility across many landscapes and centuries. Spanning both the nomadic and settled worlds, this book challenges assumptions about an intriguing swathe of our planet while celebrating its wildly varied traditions and environment. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 14:01:26 GMT -5
 Balázs Ablonczy, Go East!: A History of Hungarian Turanism, Indiana University Press, (Release Date: 11 January 2022) Description:
For more than two centuries, Hungarians believed they shared an ethnic link with people of Japanese, Bulgarian, Estonian, Finnish, and Turkic descent. Known as "Turanism," this ideology impacts Hungarian politics, science, and cultural and ethnic identity even today.
In Go East!: A History of Hungarian Turanism, Balázs Ablonczy examines the rise of Hungarian Turanism and its lasting effect on the country's history. Turanism arose from the collapse of the Kingdom of Hungary, when the nation's intellectuals began to question Hungary's place in the Western world. The influence of this ideology reached its peak during World War I, when Turanian societies funded research, economic missions, and geographical expeditions. Ablonczy traces Turanism from its foundations through its radicalization in the interwar period, its survival in emigrant circles, and its resurgence during the economic crisis of 2008. Turanian notions can be seen today in the rise of the extreme right-wing party Jobbik and in Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orban's party Fidesz.
Go East! provides fresh insight into Turanism's key political and artistic influences in Hungary and illuminates the mark it has left on history.
Amazon Links: www.amazon.co.uk/Go-East-History-Hungarian-Turanism/dp/025305740X/www.amazon.com/Go-East-History-Hungarian-Turanism/dp/025305740X/ |
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Post by Char-Vell on Mar 23, 2021 14:20:53 GMT -5
Today I learned about Turanism!
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