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Post by kemp on Sept 29, 2022 8:26:11 GMT -5
Here's an updated video from the same channel: The First Horse Warriors | Bronze Age Warfare
Who were the first people to fight on horseback? Horses were domesticated on the Eurasian steppe thousFascinating and informative video. The domestication of the horse into breeds that could be mounted/utilised for pulling chariots and trained for warfare, the Sintashta breed from the northern steppe culture, seems to have occurred relatively recently, circa 2000 BC, would account for some of the time between the first domesticated horses and later breeds developed for warfare and work purposes. Good point that modern wild horses captured and tamed for horse riding are simply feral horses descended from domesticated breeds as oppossed to 'true wild horses'. The Sintashta people have been hypothesised to be early Indo Iranians, and perhaps influences from Finno Ugric, especially linguistically speaking, their descendants may have played a predominant part in giving rise to many of the early war chariot cultures, such as ones found in Britain prior to the arrival of the Romans. The video mentions the Kimmerians ( Cimmerians ) from eastern Europe, also the Scythians that followed them. I suppose you can say that the Cossacks, Hussars, and even the wild west cowboys owe their existence to the early horse riding warriors of the steppes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2022 6:09:27 GMT -5
Here's an updated video from the same channel: The First Horse Warriors | Bronze Age Warfare
Who were the first people to fight on horseback? Horses were domesticated on the Eurasian steppe thousFascinating and informative video. The domestication of the horse into breeds that could be mounted/utilised for pulling chariots and trained for warfare, the Sintashta breed from the northern steppe culture, seems to have occurred relatively recently, circa 2000 BC, would account for some of the time between the first domesticated horses and later breeds developed for warfare and work purposes. Good point that modern wild horses captured and tamed for horse riding are simply feral horses descended from domesticated breeds as oppossed to 'true wild horses'. The Sintashta people have been hypothesised to be early Indo Iranians, and perhaps influences from Finno Ugric, especially linguistically speaking, their descendants may have played a predominant part in giving rise to many of the early war chariot cultures, such as ones found in Britain prior to the arrival of the Romans. The video mentions the Kimmerians ( Cimmerians ) from eastern Europe, also the Scythians that followed them. I suppose you can say that the Cossacks, Hussars, and even the wild west cowboys owe their existence to the early horse riding warriors of the steppes. Yeah, this video breaks it down a little better. I still reckon that the story of warriors on horseback predates the answers found in this video, we just that we can't prove it yet. I'd surmise, probably thousands of years earlier some time before the sinking of Atlantis and the rise of the Hyborian Age  |
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Post by kemp on Sept 30, 2022 22:05:12 GMT -5
Yeah, this video breaks it down a little better. I still reckon that the story of warriors on horseback predates the answers found in this video, we just that we can't prove it yet. I'd surmise, probably thousands of years earlier some time before the sinking of Atlantis and the rise of the Hyborian Age That just may be the case, but it's lost in the mists of time.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 2:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 2:57:25 GMT -5
A welcome addition to the study of the Tungusic Languages:  Andreas Hölzl Thomas E. Payne (Editors), Tungusic languages: Past and present, Language Science Press, 2022Description:
Tungusic is a small family of languages, many of which are endangered. It encompasses approximately twenty languages located in Siberia and northern China. These languages are distributed over an enormous area that ranges from the Yenisey River and Xinjiang in the west to the Kamchatka Peninsula and Sakhalin in the east. They extend as far north as the Taimyr Peninsula and, for a brief period, could even be found in parts of Central and Southern China.
This book is an attempt to bring researchers from different backgrounds together to provide an open-access publication in English that is freely available to all scholars in the field. The contributions cover all branches of Tungusic and a wide range of linguistic features. Topics include synchronic descriptions, typological comparisons, dialectology, language contact, and diachronic reconstruction. Some of the contributions are based on first-hand data collected during fieldwork, in some cases from the last speakers of a given language.Introduction Andreas Hölzl, Thomas E. Payne Chapter 1 The causal-noncausal alternation in the Northern Tungusic languages of Russia Natalia Aralova, Brigitte Pakendorf Chapter 2 Tense and insubordination in Uilta (Orok) Patryk Czerwinski Chapter 3 ‘What’s your name?’ in Tungusic and beyond Andreas Hölzl Chapter 4 On some shared and distinguishing features of Nercha and Khamnigan Ewenki dialects Bayarma Khabtagaeva Chapter 5 Functions of placeholder words in Evenki Elena Klyachko Chapter 6 From consonant to tone Laryngealized and pharyngealized vowels in Udihe Elena Perekhvalskaya Chapter 7 Proto-Tungusic in time and space Martine Robbeets, Sofia Oskolskaya Chapter 8 Historical language contact between Sibe and Khorchin Veronika Zikmundová Chapter 9 ? Link: langsci-press.org/catalog/book/355www.amazon.co.uk/dp/3985540535 |
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Post by kemp on Nov 4, 2022 0:42:12 GMT -5
Interesting book on the epic and unfortunately deadly making of The Conqueror starring John Wayne as Genghis Khan.  Ryan Uytdewilligen Killing John Wayne: The Making of the ConquerorDescription:
Behold the history of a film so scandalous, so outrageous, so explosive it disappeared from print for over a quarter century! A film so dangerous, half its cast and crew met their demise bringing eccentric billionaire Howard Hughes' final cinematic vision to life! Starring All-American legend John Wayne in full Fu Manchu make-up as Mongol madman Genghis Khan! Featuring sultry seductress Susan Hayward as his lover! This is the true story of The Conqueror (1956), the worst movie ever made. Filmed during the dark underbelly of the 1950s--the Cold War--when nuclear testing in desolate southwestern landscapes was a must for survival, the very same landscapes were where exotic stories set in faraway lands could be made. Just 153 miles from the St. George, Utah, set, nuclear bombs were detonated regularly at Yucca Flat and Frenchman Flat in Nevada, providing a bizarre and possibly deadly background to an already surreal moment in cinema history. This book tells the full story of the making of The Conqueror, its ignominious aftermath, and the radiation induced cancer that may have killed John Wayne and many others.
The Lyons Press (1 Nov. 2021) Hardcover : 264 pages I suppose making films in radioactive wastelands is probably not the best recipe for lifepsan longevity. I mean, playing Genghis Khan is cool and all that, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. |
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Post by kemp on Nov 4, 2022 19:41:14 GMT -5
I suppose making films in radioactive wastelands is probably not the best recipe for lifepsan longevity. I mean, playing Genghis Khan is cool and all that, but a line has to be drawn somewhere. John Wayne checking out radiation levels with his 2 sons. According to the Guardian article 'It is said to have crackled (Geiger counter) so loudly Wayne thought it was broken.'  Here's a link: www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/06/downwinders-nuclear-fallout-hollywood-john-wayne Read that many of those associated with the film died of cancers and organ failure years after the production. You gotta love the 1950's, they probably thought it was cool that the radiation levels were off the charts as to do that to the geiger counter. I think the federal government had assured residents at the time that the tests posed no health risks, and as we all know you can trust the government when it comes to health  Hughes regretted his decision to shoot at the hazadrous location years later, but the damage was already done. So Escalante Desert exterior film shot location was 220 k's from the security site testing area, and given that distance, it still contained a dangerous level of fallout. Interesting and disturbing at the same time. I think The Conqueror did reasonably well at the 1956 box office, even though John Wayne was miscast as Genghis Khan. |
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Post by kemp on Nov 5, 2022 3:41:01 GMT -5
Still better than Omar Sharif  You think so, hard to say, but I also prefer John Wayne's take, but no so much that he makes a more convincing Mongol ruler, more that he makes for more fun watching it on screen. Omar Sharif just doesn't look like he could conquer a vast empire going from this trailer. Notice all the European looking actors, like James Mason, playing eastern Asian types. I never thought about it all that much, but I wonder if the Chinese or Japanese ever made a move about ancient western historical figures. I mean, wouldn't it be a riot seeing a movie about King Richard, where Japanese actors played medieval English Knights and peasants. That would definitely be a cult classic |
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Post by kemp on Nov 5, 2022 3:53:13 GMT -5
John Wayne also got to co star with Susan Hayward.  |
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Post by kemp on Nov 16, 2022 18:51:30 GMT -5
Concept art of Tumen Kaghan founder of the Gokturk Empire: Ornate hilt designs for the movie:  ..and the complete sword:  Cool, now that weapon has been designed well with historical inspiration in mind, would be right at home in a historical biopic or even a fantasy flick for that matter. |
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Post by kemp on Aug 21, 2023 1:51:46 GMT -5
Mongol Cavalry Saber Seems influenced by some of the Chinese designs.  |
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Post by Von K on Aug 21, 2023 14:33:54 GMT -5
Mongol Cavalry Saber Seems influenced by some of the Chinese designs. Impressive both in design and condition, especially if that is the original scabbard.
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Post by kemp on Aug 22, 2023 22:23:56 GMT -5
Mongol Cavalry Saber Seems influenced by some of the Chinese designs. Impressive both in design and condition, especially if that is the original scabbard.
The scabbard does look dubious, may have been added as a bell and whistle for the display, if that is the original it's one of the best preserved scabbards I have ever seen for centuries old leather work. I have noticed that in many of the antique swords the wood and leather is gone from the handle, or if it is still there, very badly worn, there are exceptions of course. |
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Post by hun on Aug 23, 2023 11:11:18 GMT -5
Impressive both in design and condition, especially if that is the original scabbard.
The scabbard does look dubious, may have been added as a bell and whistle for the display, if that is the original it's one of the best preserved scabbards I have ever seen for centuries old leather work. I have noticed that in many of the antique swords the wood and leather is gone from the handle, or if it is still there, very badly worn, there are exceptions of course. Thanks Kemp. I agree, the scabbard looks a little too well preserved. I think the sword is on display at the recently opened Chinggis Khan museum, as you can probably guess at Chinggis Square (formerly Sükhbaatar Square) in Ulaanbaatar. The circular guard could kinda work for a horseman, but I think the grip of the sword should be curved making it easier to keep hold of when cutting/slashing at speed on horseback. |
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Post by Von K on Aug 23, 2023 17:32:08 GMT -5
The scabbard does look dubious, may have been added as a bell and whistle for the display, if that is the original it's one of the best preserved scabbards I have ever seen for centuries old leather work. I have noticed that in many of the antique swords the wood and leather is gone from the handle, or if it is still there, very badly worn, there are exceptions of course. Thanks Kemp. I agree, the scabbard looks a little too well preserved. I think the sword is on display at the recently opened Chinggis Khan museum, as you can probably guess at Chinggis Square (formerly Sükhbaatar Square) in Ulaanbaatar. The circular guard could kinda work for a horseman, but I think the grip of the sword should be curved making it easier to keep hold of when cutting/slashing at speed on horseback. Looks like a sleek nicely weighted blade for it's type. I see your point re the grip. Did the Mongols ever use those leather cords looped around the wrist and attached to the grip? Wrist straps or lanyards they are sometimes called. |
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