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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 16:14:21 GMT -5
I love this stuff by the Siberian group Otyken. OTYKEN - LEGEND OTYKEN - KYKAKACHA ME TOO! I haven't listened to it yet. *edit* Interesting. A bit too hip hop influenced for my tastes, but interesting. The girls are not difficult to look at. Yeah, the girls are certainly pleasing to the eye. I find the lyrics intriguing, not that far off from other Turanian languages: MY WING (MENIM KANATIM) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 13:11:19 GMT -5
Set in the 13th century during the Mongol invasions of Eastern Europe with Slavic tribes around the Kiev area migrating to the Carpathian Mountains in order to escape the pursuing Mongols. This movie is based on the historical novel 'Zakhar Berkut' (Berkut translates as Eagle in Turkic and Mongol) by the Ukrainian poet and writer Ivan Franko. Kinda reminds me of Tapsell's excellent semi-historical novel 'The 'Year of the Horsetails' with the Slavic tribes making a last stand against the Tugars instead of the Mongols. (There is also a Slavic Boyar called Tugar Volk in the movie) Here's the trailer Rising Hawk: Battle of the Carpathians
Here's a link to a review of Tapsell's The Year of the Horsetails by our Morgan Holmes: www.castaliahouse.com/the-year-of-the-horsetails/ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 14:02:48 GMT -5
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Post by kemp on Aug 22, 2022 19:13:38 GMT -5
Set in the 13th century during the Mongol invasions of Eastern Europe with Slavic tribes around the Kiev area migrating to the Carpathian Mountains in order to escape the pursuing Mongols. This movie is based on the historical novel 'Zakhar Berkut' (Berkut translates as Eagle in Turkic and Mongol) by the Ukrainian poet and writer Ivan Franko. Kinda reminds me of Tapsell's excellent semi-historical novel 'The 'Year of the Horsetails' with the Slavic tribes making a last stand against the Tugars instead of the Mongols. (There is also a Slavic Boyar called Tugar Volk in the movie) Here's the trailer Rising Hawk: Battle of the Carpathians
Here's a link to a review of Tapsell's The Year of the Horsetails by our Morgan Holmes: www.castaliahouse.com/the-year-of-the-horsetails/I will need to watch that one. The story of the Slavs seems to be one of constant movement, often a history of being harried by Mongols, Turks and others, the Carpathians and the Ukraine seems to figure in their early history. The Slavs have always set somewhere ( somewhat uncomfortably ) between the western and eastern worlds, but make for some dynamic story telling. Personally, I think the Turks, Mongols and Slavs are a great and fascinating people, but there is no love lost between that lot  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2022 3:36:23 GMT -5
Set in the 13th century during the Mongol invasions of Eastern Europe with Slavic tribes around the Kiev area migrating to the Carpathian Mountains in order to escape the pursuing Mongols. This movie is based on the historical novel 'Zakhar Berkut' (Berkut translates as Eagle in Turkic and Mongol) by the Ukrainian poet and writer Ivan Franko. Kinda reminds me of Tapsell's excellent semi-historical novel 'The 'Year of the Horsetails' with the Slavic tribes making a last stand against the Tugars instead of the Mongols. (There is also a Slavic Boyar called Tugar Volk in the movie) Here's the trailer Rising Hawk: Battle of the Carpathians
Here's a link to a review of Tapsell's The Year of the Horsetails by our Morgan Holmes: www.castaliahouse.com/the-year-of-the-horsetails/I will need to watch that one. The story of the Slavs seems to be one of constant movement, often a history of being harried by Mongols, Turks and others, the Carpathians and the Ukraine seems to figure in their early history. The Slavs have always set somewhere ( somewhat uncomfortably ) between the western and eastern worlds, but make for some dynamic story telling. Personally, I think the Turks, Mongols and Slavs are a great and fascinating people, but there is no love lost between that lot Yeah the relationship between the Altaic & Slavic people is intriguing. They are commonly seen as enemies, but have also been allies since the Hunnic migrations. It is a pretty good movie, the Slavic peoples speak in English and the Mongols in their own language. Even though Tsegmid Tserenbold (Burunda Khan) is the only actual Mongolian. Tsegmid is from Nailakh, an old mining town around 40km south east of the capital Ulaanbaatar, the majority in Nailakh are Kazakhs but his name is Mongolian. Most of the other Mongols are of Kazakh descent. In the Soviet version of Zakhar Berkut in 1971 the Mongols speak in what sounds like a form of Kipchak (closer to Kazakh, Tatar) mixed with Oghuz (Closer to Turkish, Turkmen), probably the Crimean or Nogai Tatar language: Zakhar Berkut 1971 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2022 15:05:24 GMT -5
THE HU - Black Thunder Part 1 (Har ayanga) Here's part 2: |
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Post by kemp on Aug 24, 2022 6:17:13 GMT -5
Yeah the relationship between the Altaic & Slavic people is intriguing. They are commonly seen as enemies, but have also been allies since the Hunnic migrations. It is a pretty good movie, the Slavic peoples speak in English and the Mongols in their own language. Even though Tsegmid Tserenbold (Burunda Khan) is the only actual Mongolian. Tsegmid is from Nailakh, an old mining town around 40km south east of the capital Ulaanbaatar, the majority in Nailakh are Kazakhs but his name is Mongolian. Most of the other Mongols are of Kazakh descent. In the Soviet version of Zakhar Berkut in 1971 the Mongols speak in what sounds like a form of Kipchak (closer to Kazakh, Tatar) mixed with Oghuz (Closer to Turkish, Turkmen), probably the Crimean or Nogai Tatar language: Zakhar Berkut 1971It is amazing when you think about the number of non Mongolian actors that have portrayed Mongolians in movies over the years, consider the Japanese actor Tadanobu Asano who played Genghis Khan some time back. Going back further there was Jack Palance in The Mongols, even John Wayne as Genghis Khan of all things, and I am just scratching the surface of the topic when it comes to actors that have played Huns, Turks and Mongols at some point. I suppose everyone and their brother wants to be a Mongolian steppe warrior at least once in their life |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2022 2:11:46 GMT -5
...a different look at the expansion of Indo-European languages and domestication of the horse:  Robert Drews, Militarism and the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe, Routledge, 2019
This book argues that the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe essentially began shortly before 1600 BC, when lands rich in natural resources were taken over by military forces from the Eurasian steppe and from southern Caucasia. First were the copper and silver mines (along with good harbors) in Greece, and the copper and gold mines of the Carpathian basin. By ca. 1500 BC other military men had taken over the amber coasts of Scandinavia and the metalworking district of the southern Alps. These military takeovers offer the most likely explanations for the origins of the Greek, Keltic, Germanic and Italic subgroups of the Indo-European language family.
Battlefield warfare and militarism, Robert Drews contends, were novelties ca. 1600 BC and were a consequence of the military employment of chariots. Current opinion is that militarism and battlefield warfare are as old as formal states, going back before 3000 BC.
Another current opinion is that the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe happened long before 1600 BC. The "Kurgan theory" of Marija Gimbutas and David Anthony dates it from late in the fifth to early in the third millennium BC and explains it as the result of horse-riding conquerors or raiders coming to Europe from the steppe. Colin Renfrew’s Archaeology and Language dates the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe to the seventh and sixth millennia BC, and explains it as a consequence of the spread of agriculture in a "wave of advance" from Anatolia through Europe. Pairing linguistic with archaeological evidence Drews concludes that in Greece and Italy, at least, no Indo-European language could have arrived before the second millennium BC.Contents1 The Origins and Spread of Proto-Indo-European 2 The Kurgan Theory and the Taming of Horses 3 Warfare in Western Eurasia in the Third and Early Second Millennium BC 4 Chariot Warfare, the Beginning of Militarism, and its Indo-European Connection 5 The Beginnings of Militarism in Temperate Europe 6 The Beginning of Militarism in Greece 7 The Question of Origins Appendix: The Chronological Quandary Bibliography of Works Cited Link: www.routledge.com/Militarism-and-the-Indo-Europeanizing-of-Europe/Drews/p/book/9780367886004 |
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Post by kemp on Sept 26, 2022 19:57:57 GMT -5
...a different look at the expansion of Indo-European languages and domestication of the horse: Robert Drews, Militarism and the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe, Routledge, 2019
This book argues that the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe essentially began shortly before 1600 BC, when lands rich in natural resources were taken over by military forces from the Eurasian steppe and from southern Caucasia. First were the copper and silver mines (along with good harbors) in Greece, and the copper and gold mines of the Carpathian basin. By ca. 1500 BC other military men had taken over the amber coasts of Scandinavia and the metalworking district of the southern Alps. These military takeovers offer the most likely explanations for the origins of the Greek, Keltic, Germanic and Italic subgroups of the Indo-European language family.
Battlefield warfare and militarism, Robert Drews contends, were novelties ca. 1600 BC and were a consequence of the military employment of chariots. Current opinion is that militarism and battlefield warfare are as old as formal states, going back before 3000 BC.
Another current opinion is that the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe happened long before 1600 BC. The "Kurgan theory" of Marija Gimbutas and David Anthony dates it from late in the fifth to early in the third millennium BC and explains it as the result of horse-riding conquerors or raiders coming to Europe from the steppe. Colin Renfrew’s Archaeology and Language dates the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe to the seventh and sixth millennia BC, and explains it as a consequence of the spread of agriculture in a "wave of advance" from Anatolia through Europe. Pairing linguistic with archaeological evidence Drews concludes that in Greece and Italy, at least, no Indo-European language could have arrived before the second millennium BC.Contents1 The Origins and Spread of Proto-Indo-European 2 The Kurgan Theory and the Taming of Horses 3 Warfare in Western Eurasia in the Third and Early Second Millennium BC 4 Chariot Warfare, the Beginning of Militarism, and its Indo-European Connection 5 The Beginnings of Militarism in Temperate Europe 6 The Beginning of Militarism in Greece 7 The Question of Origins Appendix: The Chronological Quandary Bibliography of Works Cited Link: www.routledge.com/Militarism-and-the-Indo-Europeanizing-of-Europe/Drews/p/book/9780367886004The Indo European peoples are a part of the steppe tradition, they just happened to dominate Europe from a much earlier time, merging with the neolithic farming communities during the Bronze Age or earlier. The equestrian tradition was brought to Europe by varius Indo European ( notably Iranian ) waves. Interesting book, but the dating for the arrival of the Indo Europans into central and western Europe is still up for debate I think. Some things will always remain buried in the mists of times. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 1:28:19 GMT -5
...a different look at the expansion of Indo-European languages and domestication of the horse: Robert Drews, Militarism and the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe, Routledge, 2019
This book argues that the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe essentially began shortly before 1600 BC, when lands rich in natural resources were taken over by military forces from the Eurasian steppe and from southern Caucasia. First were the copper and silver mines (along with good harbors) in Greece, and the copper and gold mines of the Carpathian basin. By ca. 1500 BC other military men had taken over the amber coasts of Scandinavia and the metalworking district of the southern Alps. These military takeovers offer the most likely explanations for the origins of the Greek, Keltic, Germanic and Italic subgroups of the Indo-European language family.
Battlefield warfare and militarism, Robert Drews contends, were novelties ca. 1600 BC and were a consequence of the military employment of chariots. Current opinion is that militarism and battlefield warfare are as old as formal states, going back before 3000 BC.
Another current opinion is that the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe happened long before 1600 BC. The "Kurgan theory" of Marija Gimbutas and David Anthony dates it from late in the fifth to early in the third millennium BC and explains it as the result of horse-riding conquerors or raiders coming to Europe from the steppe. Colin Renfrew’s Archaeology and Language dates the Indo-Europeanizing of Europe to the seventh and sixth millennia BC, and explains it as a consequence of the spread of agriculture in a "wave of advance" from Anatolia through Europe. Pairing linguistic with archaeological evidence Drews concludes that in Greece and Italy, at least, no Indo-European language could have arrived before the second millennium BC.Contents1 The Origins and Spread of Proto-Indo-European 2 The Kurgan Theory and the Taming of Horses 3 Warfare in Western Eurasia in the Third and Early Second Millennium BC 4 Chariot Warfare, the Beginning of Militarism, and its Indo-European Connection 5 The Beginnings of Militarism in Temperate Europe 6 The Beginning of Militarism in Greece 7 The Question of Origins Appendix: The Chronological Quandary Bibliography of Works Cited Link: www.routledge.com/Militarism-and-the-Indo-Europeanizing-of-Europe/Drews/p/book/9780367886004The Indo European peoples are a part of the steppe tradition, they just happened to dominate Europe from a much earlier time, merging with the neolithic farming communities during the Bronze Age or earlier. The equestrian tradition was brought to Europe by varius Indo European ( notably Iranian ) waves. Interesting book, but the dating for the arrival of the Indo Europans into central and western Europe is still up for debate I think. Some things will always remain buried in the mists of times. Yeah, it is difficult to really know. According to Robert Drews, or at least I think what he wants to say is, that the the early Indo-Europeans domesticated the steppe horse possibly around 6,000 years ago but it took em around 3,000 years to realise that you can ride em into battle!!! |
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Post by kemp on Sept 27, 2022 4:39:44 GMT -5
Yeah, it is difficult to really know. According to Robert Drews, or at least I think what he wants to say is, that the the early Indo-Europeans domesticated the steppe horse possibly around 6,000 years ago but it took em around 3,000 years to realise that you can ride em into battle!!! That's quite a gap, you would think that riding horses into battle would have occurred just after domestication, but it does throw up that obvious question you just inferred. I mean, why would you wait thousands of years to make that step !?! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 8:19:44 GMT -5
Yeah, it is difficult to really know. According to Robert Drews, or at least I think what he wants to say is, that the the early Indo-Europeans domesticated the steppe horse possibly around 6,000 years ago but it took em around 3,000 years to realise that you can ride em into battle!!! That's quite a gap, you would think that riding horses into battle would have occurred just after domestication, but it does throw up that obvious question you just inferred. I mean, why would you wait thousands of years to make that step !?! I think the theory is that the early Indo-Europeans herded horses, the same way as cattle and sheep, eating their meat - instead of riding em!!! |
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Post by kemp on Sept 27, 2022 23:08:03 GMT -5
That's quite a gap, you would think that riding horses into battle would have occurred just after domestication, but it does throw up that obvious question you just inferred. I mean, why would you wait thousands of years to make that step !?! I think the theory is that the early Indo-Europeans herded horses, the same way as cattle and sheep, eating their meat - instead of riding em!!! I read that the first horse riding people lived in an area in northern Kazakhstan, ( Botai people ?? ) about 5500 years ago. It would have been obvious that horses could be used to transport goods. I find it difficult to comprehend that humans would have simply eaten domesticated horses for thousands of years before some bright spark had the idea that you could attach wagons to em or just get on the thing and giddy up. Of course when times got lean you could just eat them too. I would assume that the first horse riding peoples would have been Eurasian Ural Altaic speakers. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 3:16:27 GMT -5
I think the theory is that the early Indo-Europeans herded horses, the same way as cattle and sheep, eating their meat - instead of riding em!!! I read that the first horse riding people lived in an area in northern Kazakhstan, ( Botai people ?? ) about 5500 years ago. It would have been obvious that horses could be used to transport goods. I find it difficult to comprehend that humans would have simply eaten domesticated horses for thousands of years before some bright spark had the idea that you could attach wagons to em or just get on the thing and giddy up. Of course when times got lean you could just eat them too. I would assume that the first horse riding peoples would have been Eurasian Ural Altaic speakers. Here's a video explaining what is described as the 'Late Horse Riding Hypothesis'. There's around 10 minutes devoted to the ideas found in Robert Drews' book. The First Horse Riders | Horse Domestication on the Eurasian Steppe
Who were the first horse riders in history? We know about horse domestication but knowing who were the first horsemen is more difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 3:52:52 GMT -5
Here's an updated video from the same channel:
The First Horse Warriors | Bronze Age Warfare
Who were the first people to fight on horseback? Horses were domesticated on the Eurasian steppe thous
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