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Post by hun on Feb 10, 2024 13:58:52 GMT -5
...cool lecture by Professor Kristian Kristiansen on the ancient Anatolian farmers and Hunter Gathers of Europe and the advent of the Indo-European (Yamnaya) warriors of the steppe:
Towards a New European prehistory: genes, archaeology and language – Kristian Kristiansen
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Post by hun on Feb 12, 2024 15:52:31 GMT -5
...another Turkish series on Mehmet the Conqueror:
Mehmed: Fetihler Sultanı trailer
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Post by kemp on Feb 12, 2024 17:37:51 GMT -5
...another Turkish series on Mehmet the Conqueror: Mehmed: Fetihler Sultanı trailerMehmed the Conqueror right. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_IIREH noted him in passing I think when describing the Pictish chief Gorm. |
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Post by kemp on Feb 12, 2024 17:44:46 GMT -5
Actually it was Othman, also Attila, not Mehmed.
There is another thread outside the scope of this one where there was some discussion on REH's views on Huns, Turks and related peoples.
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Post by hun on Feb 13, 2024 10:33:13 GMT -5
Actually it was Othman, also Attila, not Mehmed. There is another thread outside the scope of this one where there was some discussion on REH's views on Huns, Turks and related peoples. Yeah, been a while since I last posted on the Robert E Howard's Views on the Huns, Mongols, Tatars & Turks thread - here's the link to the bit from the Hyborian Age : swordsofreh.proboards.com/post/7336 |
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Post by kemp on Feb 16, 2024 5:50:47 GMT -5
Actually it was Othman, also Attila, not Mehmed. There is another thread outside the scope of this one where there was some discussion on REH's views on Huns, Turks and related peoples. Yeah, been a while since I last posted on the Robert E Howard's Views on the Huns, Mongols, Tatars & Turks thread - here's the link to the bit from the Hyborian Age : swordsofreh.proboards.com/post/7336Yes, Tartars, Mongols and Turks, according to REH's Hyborian Age history, are direct descendants of Hyrkanians. Of course, when I say 'direct descendants' I am talking about the latter Hyrkanians of the Hyborian Age that mixed with some other eastern peoples, so we have tall Hyrkanians and shorter types. Outside the scope of this thread, but it was interesting. In all honesty I think trying to follow the Altaic and Indo European tribes back into the mists of time is a sure fire way to get yourself a migraine. I think REH understood that and hence the 'artistic licence' at some point in the journey. It gets worse when you read things like that the Mongol and Turkic languages actually converged over the centuries as opposed to diverged. |
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Post by hun on Feb 17, 2024 2:39:36 GMT -5
Yeah, been a while since I last posted on the Robert E Howard's Views on the Huns, Mongols, Tatars & Turks thread - here's the link to the bit from the Hyborian Age : swordsofreh.proboards.com/post/7336Yes, Tartars, Mongols and Turks, according to REH's Hyborian Age history, are direct descendants of Hyrkanians. Of course, when I say 'direct descendants' I am talking about the latter Hyrkanians of the Hyborian Age that mixed with some other eastern peoples, so we have tall Hyrkanians and shorter types. Outside the scope of this thread, but it was interesting. In all honesty I think trying to follow the Altaic and Indo European tribes back into the mists of time is a sure fire way to get yourself a migraine. I think REH understood that and hence the 'artistic licence' at some point in the journey.
It gets worse when you read things like that the Mongol and Turkic languages actually converged over the centuries as opposed to diverged. Yeah, but don't forget the Uralic speaking peoples who no doubt lived very close, probably, I guess, among the early Indo-Europeans on the steppe region at the time. |
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Post by kemp on Feb 18, 2024 1:24:32 GMT -5
Yes, Tartars, Mongols and Turks, according to REH's Hyborian Age history, are direct descendants of Hyrkanians. Of course, when I say 'direct descendants' I am talking about the latter Hyrkanians of the Hyborian Age that mixed with some other eastern peoples, so we have tall Hyrkanians and shorter types. Outside the scope of this thread, but it was interesting. In all honesty I think trying to follow the Altaic and Indo European tribes back into the mists of time is a sure fire way to get yourself a migraine. I think REH understood that and hence the 'artistic licence' at some point in the journey.
It gets worse when you read things like that the Mongol and Turkic languages actually converged over the centuries as opposed to diverged. Yeah, but don't forget the Uralic speaking peoples who no doubt lived very close, probably, I guess, among the early Indo-Europeans on the steppe region at the time. How about that controversial theory about an early proto language consisting of both Uralic and Indo European. I'm doubtful, but at some very early point these people influenced each other, culturally, linguistically and genetically. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Uralic_languages |
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Post by hun on Feb 27, 2024 18:12:29 GMT -5
 Jangar: The Heroic Epic of the Kalmyk NomadsTranslated by Saglar Bougdaeva The first English translation of a Kalmyk epic nearly lost to history.
This is the first English translation of Jangar, the heroic epic of the Kalmyk nomads, who are the Western Mongols of Genghis Khan’s medieval empire in Europe. Today, Kalmykia is situated in the territory that was once the Golden Horde, founded by the son of Genghis Khan, Juchi. Although their famed khanates and cities have long since disappeared under the sands of the Great Eurasian Steppe, the Kalmyks have witnessed, memorized, and orally transmitted some of the most transformative developments, both victorious and tragic, in the history of civilizations. A tribute to the protectors of the mythical country Bumba, Jangar reflects the hopes and aspirations of the Kalmyk people as well as their centuries-long struggle for their cultural existence.
This new English translation is more than a tribute to the artistic creativity and imagination of the Kalmyk people—it is also an important step in their struggle for cultural survival. It was only after centuries of oral transmission that the songs and stories surrounding Jangar were written down. When the first translation, into Russian, finally appeared, Stalin had the entire Kalmyk population deported to Siberia and ordered that their national literature be eliminated from the published world. This Soviet repression has had enormous consequences for world literature, silencing nomadic voices and keeping hidden their distinctive contributions. Making Jangar available in English is a landmark event, bringing a lost classic to the world’s attention and restoring the voices of an almost-erased tradition at the heart of the history of Eurasia.Publisher : University of California Press (10 Jan. 2023) Language : English Paperback : 264 pages ISBN-10 : 0520344723 ISBN-13 : 978-0520344723 Dimensions : 12.7 x 3.05 x 19.69 cm |
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Post by hun on Mar 1, 2024 2:35:52 GMT -5
Here's a presentation by Martine Robbeets on the Linguistic, Cultural & Ethnic Origins in Northeast Asia: This is kinda like a repackaged version of the Altaic linguistic theory, which has been renamed as the Transeurasian language group, the group includes the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, Korean and Japanic languages (formerly known as Macro-Altaic).
Description:
This is the outline of my talk today. First, I will introduce the so-called Transeurasian languages, that is Japanese, Korean, Tungusic, Mongolic and Turkic languages, and make some inferences about the linguistic origins of these languages.
Next, I will explore what archaeology can tells us about agricultural expansions across North East Asia. Then I will turn to genetics, presenting our analyses of ancient human DNA from the Neolithic on wards. Finally, I will bring the different lines of evidence together in an approach which we call “triangulation”. This will give us a richer and more balanced understanding of the prehistory of Northeast Asia, than each of these three disciplines could provide us with individually.
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Post by hun on Mar 3, 2024 23:31:43 GMT -5
A Russian Nenets movie. The Nenets speak an Uralic language:
White Moss (Belyy Yagel)
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Post by hun on Mar 5, 2024 15:00:29 GMT -5
Here's a nice little movie set in the Land of the Everlasting Sky Mongolia:
Once Upon a Time in Mongolia | Full Movie | Inspirational love story | Rachel Lynn David
Mya discovers an old photograph that sets her on a journey to find her long-lost father in the deserts of Mongolia.
Director: Donald Leow
Starring: Rachel Lynn David, Munkhnasan Dashdorj, Jargalant Myatav
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Post by hun on Mar 7, 2024 13:21:59 GMT -5
Movies of the Steppe
Genghis Khan, 1965With the unconvincing Omar Sharif as Temujin/Genghis Khan and the excellent Stephen Boyd as Jamukha, directed by Henry Levin. Now, relax, sit back and pour yourself some fermented mare's milk (kumis/Ayrakh) and enjoy. Unfortunately, these movies tend to disappear after a couple of years on Youtube, anyways enjoy: Genghis Khan (1965) |
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Post by hun on Mar 17, 2024 2:30:55 GMT -5
 Genghis Khan's Greatest General: Subotai the Valiantby Richard A. Gabriel Description:
This book tells the story of Subotai the Valiant, one of the greatest generals in military history, surely the equal of Hannibal and Scipio in tactical brilliance and ranking right along with both Alexander and Caesar as a strategist. Subotai commanded armies whose size, scale, and scope of operations surpassed all of the commanders of the ancient world. Under his direction and command, Mongol armies moved faster, over greater distances, and with a greater scope of maneuver than any army had ever done before. His legacy lives to the present day, for much of the theory and practice of modern military operations was first used by Subotai. The modern emphasis on speed, maneuver, surprise, envelopment, the rear battle, the deep battle, concentration of firepower, and the battle of annihilation all emerged as tactical skills first practiced by this great Mongol general.
Subotai died at age 73, by which time he had conquered 32 nations and won 65 pitched battles, as the Muslim historians tell us. For 60 of those years, Subotai lived as Mongol soldier, first as a lowly private who kept the tent door of Genghis himself, rising to be the most brilliant and trusted of Genghis Khan's generals. When Genghis died, Subotai continued to be the moving force of the Mongol army under his successors. It was Subotai who planned and participated in the Mongol victories against Korea, China, Persia, and Russia. It was Subotai's conquest of Hungary that destroyed every major army between the Mongols and the threshold of Europe. Had the great Khan not died, it is likely that Subotai would have destroyed Europe itself.
Publisher : Praeger; Illustrated edition Language : English Hardcover : 176 pages ISBN-10 : 0275975827 ISBN-13 : 978-0275975821 Amazon Links: www.amazon.co.uk/Genghis-Khans-Greatest-General-Subotai/dp/0806137347/www.amazon.com/Genghis-Khans-Greatest-General-Subotai/dp/0806137347 |
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Post by hun on Mar 23, 2024 1:51:54 GMT -5
Analysis of Ancient Scythian Leather Samples Shows Ancient Scythians Made Leather from Human Skin
Words by Leman Altuntaş
 The ancient Scythians’ history as fearsome warriors dates back more than 2,000 years, and now research from a multi-institutional team of anthropologists confirms that they are pitiless warriors. Researchers have discovered that Scythian warriors carried their arrows in leather quivers made from the skin of their defeated enemies.
The Scythians (6th to 3rd centuries BC) were a nomadic people known for their fierce nature and mastery of horsemanship in the ancient Eurasian steppes. Their lives were deeply intertwined with the wild, expansive landscapes they roamed. Living in harmony with the harsh environment, they developed a formidable reputation as warriors and skilled riders.
Their nomadic lifestyle meant they were in constant movement, adapting to the ever-changing conditions of the steppe. They were expert archers, able to shoot accurately from horseback while galloping at high speeds—a skill that made them formidable in battle.
In their project, reported on the open-access site PLOS ONE, the researchers tested an account by the Greek historian Herodotus regarding certain behaviors of ancient Scythian warriors.
 Scythian warriors, modeled after images from an electrum cup found at the kurgan burial site of Kul’Oba, close to Kerch. Note the typical pointed hood, long jacket with fur or fleece trimming at the edges, decorated trousers, and short boots tied at the ankle. The warrior on the right is stringing his bow and bracing it behind his knee. All adult men appeared to have worn beards, and hair was typically worn long and loose. The two other warriors on the left are talking to each other while brandishing spears or javelins.The quiver is clearly indicated on the left hip of the man on the left, who is wearing a diadem and therefore is likely to be the Scythian king. Photo: Hermitage Museum, St Petersburg
Herodotus reported that the nomadic warriors used the skulls of their victims as drinking cups drank the blood of their enemies and used their scalps as hand towels. “Many too take off the skin, nails and all, from their dead enemies’ right hands, and make coverings for their quivers,” he wrote.
We had to take Herodotus’ word for it until now, but the authors of a new study have finally provided scientific validation for these grizzly claims. The researchers were able to identify the species from which each piece of skin was taken by using a series of techniques to analyze the proteins in 45 leather samples recovered from 14 different Scythian sites in southern Ukraine.
The researchers analyzed 45 leather samples collected from 14 Scythian dig sites using a variety of paleoproteomics techniques. They were able to determine the origin of all but two of them, which were made from horse, cattle, goat, or sheep skin. The other two had a human source to back up what Herodotus said.
However, the researchers discovered pieces of leather derived from human skin in two of the quivers they examined. Further examination of the two human skin leather samples revealed that they were only used on the top parts of the quivers; the rest of the quivers were made of animal leather. A selection of the leather object fragments analyzed in this study: 1. Ilyinka kurgan 4 burial 2; 2. Ilyinka kurgan 4 burial 3; 3. Vodoslavka kurgan 8 burial 4; 4. Orikhove kurgan 3 burial 2; 5. Zelene I kurgan 2 burial 3; 6. Kairy V kurgan 1 burial 1; 7. Ol’hyne kurgan 2 burial 1; 8. Bulhakovo kurgan 5 burial 2; 9. Zolota Balka kurgan 13 burial 7 (Image: M. Daragan). The units of the scale bars are cm. Credit: PLOS ONE (2023).
It is important to note that the Scythians were not the first to use human skin for leather. Human skin has been used for a variety of purposes throughout history, including bookbinding and the creation of macabre artifacts. The discovery of human skin leather among the Scythians, on the other hand, provides valuable insights into their cultural practices.
According to one theory, the use of human skin in leather production may have been linked to religious or ritualistic beliefs. The Scythians were well-known for their intricate funerary practices, which frequently included elaborate burial rituals and the inclusion of valuable items in tombs. Human skin leather may have been used to honor or commemorate the deceased.
Another possibility is that the use of human skin leather was a means of conquering or dominating enemies. The Scythians were skilled warriors who frequently clashed with neighboring tribes. The creation of leather items from defeated enemies’ skins could have been a way for them to assert their power and intimidate their opponents.
The researchers propose that their results not only validate legends about the prehistoric Scythian fighters but also demonstrate that the fighters were making their quivers from easily accessible materials.Source: arkeonews.net/analysis-of-ancient-scythian-leather-samples-shows-ancient-scythians-made-leather-from-human-skin/
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