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Post by johnnypt on Aug 4, 2021 11:39:56 GMT -5
I was just thinking the other day if we were ever going to get semi-"real" numbers again!
That Marvel's Conan and Ablaze's Cimmerian are that close is astonishing.
Only things that showed up on the trade charts were the Gambler trade and CTB Omnibus, but they were released in January and are still charting with reorders, so that's good for those.
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 4, 2021 12:24:25 GMT -5
Finally new sales figures! "While preliminary reports had suggested that June 2021 was the best month for new comics initial orders since the Coronavirus pandemic began, the release of indexed sales charts by Diamond Comic Distributors — the first since March 2020 — brought home how good the month really was. Retailers appear to have ordered more than $40 million in new comic books from Diamond and DC's distributor, Lunar Distribution, a figure that swells to near $60 million with graphic novel shipments. That beats any month in the Diamond Exclusive Era (1997-2020) in nominal dollar terms." 125 Invincible Red Sonja 2 Dynamite 23,571 127 Savage Avengers 21 Marvel 23,503 165 Conan The Barbarian 22 Marvel 16,835 181 Red Sonja 28 Dynamite 13,388 188 Cimmerian Iron Shadows in Moon 3 Ablaze 12,469 201 Sonjaversal 5 Dynamite 11,155 226 Red Sonja 1982 One Shot Dynamite 8,578 308 Red Sonja 1977 1 Dynamite 4,790 www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2021/2021-06.htmlThanks Terry. Looks like CtB will eventually get to the same kinda numbers found at the end of the DH series, around 8,000-10,000. It is not looking good, I guess there will be a little improvement for the the 25th/300th issue and possibly for the relaunch or whatever it is gonna be with the return of Jason Aaron. Those numbers are just not good enough. At least the Cimmerian is consistent at around 12,000. Yes the CtB figures are very disappointing especially taking into account the overall positive reviews Jim's issues have been getting. The end of the series , with hopefully a relaunch after Aaron's run , might be for the best as it's getting close in sales that would have the cancellation axe as a Marvel comic hanging over it unlike the lower runs that DH and other books in that region can cope with, especially taking into account whatever the licensing fee is.
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 5, 2021 8:31:38 GMT -5
Sadly I am cancling my Marvel Conan Pulls at my LCS, And comics in general once Immortal Hulk wraps up.
Marvels relaunch of Conan hasn't ever blown my skirt up, I've been getting it out of some sort of loyalty.
I'll probably still get the Ablaze Beyond the Black River adaption, at least the first issue.
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 5, 2021 12:24:26 GMT -5
Wasn't impressed with Aaron's run on CtB so will be passing on KC. Wouldn't surprise me if in a years time when CtB is due back there won't be any new Conan at Marvel , just the final collections of the old stuff
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Post by danieljames495 on Aug 5, 2021 16:23:57 GMT -5
That's a bummer. I like the direction that CtB is going in now. I personally don't like buying collections and TPBs so I'd keep getting the floppies. I'm a little surprised that Savage Avengers has been doing better than the main title though.
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Post by wolfshead on Aug 5, 2021 18:03:38 GMT -5
Shocked to see a Red Sonja title beating an Avengers title. At least it wasn't Red Sonja meets Betty and Veronica that won the match-up. Goes to show just how badly Marvel handled the Conan reboot. One problem may have been with ignoring the Roy Thomas Conan timeline. Also, that Belit series was just awful on every level, and for what? Belit played no part at all in the reboot.
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 6, 2021 0:27:57 GMT -5
That's a bummer. I like the direction that CtB is going in now. I personally don't like buying collections and TPBs so I'd keep getting the floppies. I'm a little surprised that Savage Avengers has been doing better than the main title though. I think it's just that superheroes still sell better so the Avengers fans are probably pushing that title higher though it's not really selling that well for an Avengers title.
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Post by mindboggled on Aug 9, 2021 16:05:01 GMT -5
Wasn't impressed with Aaron's run on CtB so will be passing on KC. Wouldn't surprise me if in a years time when CtB is due back there won't be any new Conan at Marvel , just the final collections of the old stuff King Conan will be a HARD pass for me for the same reasons. And fuck Conn.
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Post by mindboggled on Aug 9, 2021 19:19:12 GMT -5
Finally new sales figures! "While preliminary reports had suggested that June 2021 was the best month for new comics initial orders since the Coronavirus pandemic began, the release of indexed sales charts by Diamond Comic Distributors — the first since March 2020 — brought home how good the month really was. Retailers appear to have ordered more than $40 million in new comic books from Diamond and DC's distributor, Lunar Distribution, a figure that swells to near $60 million with graphic novel shipments. That beats any month in the Diamond Exclusive Era (1997-2020) in nominal dollar terms." 125 Invincible Red Sonja 2 Dynamite 23,571 127 Savage Avengers 21 Marvel 23,503 165 Conan The Barbarian 22 Marvel 16,835 181 Red Sonja 28 Dynamite 13,388 188 Cimmerian Iron Shadows in Moon 3 Ablaze 12,469 201 Sonjaversal 5 Dynamite 11,155 226 Red Sonja 1982 One Shot Dynamite 8,578 308 Red Sonja 1977 1 Dynamite 4,790 www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2021/2021-06.htmlThanks Terry. Looks like CtB will eventually get to the same kinda numbers found at the end of the DH series, around 8,000-10,000. It is not looking good, I guess there will be a little improvement for the the 25th/300th issue and possibly for the relaunch or whatever it is gonna be with the return of Jason Aaron. Those numbers are just not good enough. At least the Cimmerian is consistent at around 12,000. The numbers for CTB suck. Can't imagine them keeping Conan for long with those abysmal sales. It's Marvel's fault though. From the start they should have released a black and white mag helmed by the previous best writes of Conan comics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 8:06:55 GMT -5
Thanks Terry. Looks like CtB will eventually get to the same kinda numbers found at the end of the DH series, around 8,000-10,000. It is not looking good, I guess there will be a little improvement for the the 25th/300th issue and possibly for the relaunch or whatever it is gonna be with the return of Jason Aaron. Those numbers are just not good enough. At least the Cimmerian is consistent at around 12,000. The numbers for CTB suck. Can't imagine them keeping Conan for long with those abysmal sales. It's Marvel's fault though. From the start they should have released a black and white mag helmed by the previous best writes of Conan comics. I can't see Jason Aaron turning things around. Good thing the Classic Conan collections seem to be selling well. Yeah, a Black & White Savage Sword style mag would be great, unfortunately I don't think Marvel will take that chance unless it is a one shot or something.
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Post by Char-Vell on Aug 10, 2021 11:51:41 GMT -5
The numbers for CTB suck. Can't imagine them keeping Conan for long with those abysmal sales. It's Marvel's fault though. From the start they should have released a black and white mag helmed by the previous best writes of Conan comics. I can't see Jason Aaron turning things around. Good thing the Classic Conan collections seem to be selling well. Yeah, a Black & White Savage Sword style mag would be great, unfortunately I don't think Marvel will take that chance unless it is a one shot or something. If they did take said chance, they'd probably want $10.00-$15.00 an issue, pricing themselves out of the market.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 17:56:19 GMT -5
I can't see Jason Aaron turning things around. Good thing the Classic Conan collections seem to be selling well. Yeah, a Black & White Savage Sword style mag would be great, unfortunately I don't think Marvel will take that chance unless it is a one shot or something. If they did take said chance, they'd probably want $10.00-$15.00 an issue, pricing themselves out of the market.
I'm not into comics so I'm not too familiar with the industry, but manga is black and white and it's killing Western comics in the monthly charts. Clearly black and white sells. I think Conan is just seeing the same poor sales that all comics are experiencing except for the big titles.
I know that as a kid i never got into comics because you wold get 20 pages and then have to wait a month for another few pages. Maybe it's time to drop the monthlies and switch to the manga format of a whole book at a time. Imagine a black and white conan comic that released maybe every 4 months and was as a thick as a manga book, even I would buy that, especially if each book was a story arc so you were getting a complete story that ultimately tied into a bigger story. Time for American comics to adapt or disappear I'm afraid.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 10, 2021 21:34:01 GMT -5
Those figures are quite disappointing. Jason Aaron bringing back the Brady Bunch aspect of the old King Conan comic with that bastard Conn could be a real death nail for the Marvel books. They should just let Jim keep doing what he's doing with Conan in the prime of his life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2021 0:42:25 GMT -5
Those figures are quite disappointing. Jason Aaron bringing back the Brady Bunch aspect of the old King Conan comic with that bastard Conn could be a real death nail for the Marvel books. They should just let Jim keep doing what he's doing with Conan in the prime of his life. Yeah, they shoulda left Conan to Jim Zub. I can't see any improvement in sales with a Jason Aaron King Conan relaunch, the numbers will be the same by this time next year. Or maybe, you just don't get enough Conan fans in the ol' comic stores anymore?
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 11, 2021 7:38:33 GMT -5
Those figures are quite disappointing. Jason Aaron bringing back the Brady Bunch aspect of the old King Conan comic with that bastard Conn could be a real death nail for the Marvel books. They should just let Jim keep doing what he's doing with Conan in the prime of his life. Yeah, they shoulda left Conan to Jim Zub. I can't see any improvement in sales with a Jason Aaron King Conan relaunch, the numbers will be the same by this time next year. Or maybe, you just don't get enough Conan fans in the ol' comic stores anymore? The really disappointing things is everyone who's commented on Jim's run have all enjoyed it , more probably than any other run since Marvel took Conan back , and yet it's shredding numbers so much it's put it into the range of titles I'm sure Marvel would look at cancelling if it continued. I think you are right about Conan fans , not enough to support the comic. The novelty value of Conan seems to have passed the superhero crowd by now, apart for Savage Avengers.
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