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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 11, 2021 8:38:06 GMT -5
Yeah, they shoulda left Conan to Jim Zub. I can't see any improvement in sales with a Jason Aaron King Conan relaunch, the numbers will be the same by this time next year. Or maybe, you just don't get enough Conan fans in the ol' comic stores anymore? The really disappointing things is everyone who's commented on Jim's run have all enjoyed it , more probably than any other run since Marvel took Conan back , and yet it's shredding numbers so much it's put it into the range of titles I'm sure Marvel would look at cancelling if it continued. I think you are right about Conan fans , not enough to support the comic. The novelty value of Conan seems to have passed the superhero crowd by now, apart for Savage Avengers. I think if Jim came on the book a year earlier things would be a bit different, the pandemic screwed his momentum. The pandemic is in the process of gutting the American direct market. During those months where people couldn't get into comic shops to buy them, a lot of people decided they really didn't miss buying comics and it might be a good chance to stop buying them. This goes for all comics across the board, sales are down and there are fewer stores than ever. They're probably starting over with a new #1 to get a little bump in numbers, but that won't last.
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 11, 2021 13:21:35 GMT -5
The really disappointing things is everyone who's commented on Jim's run have all enjoyed it , more probably than any other run since Marvel took Conan back , and yet it's shredding numbers so much it's put it into the range of titles I'm sure Marvel would look at cancelling if it continued. I think you are right about Conan fans , not enough to support the comic. The novelty value of Conan seems to have passed the superhero crowd by now, apart for Savage Avengers. I think if Jim came on the book a year earlier things would be a bit different, the pandemic screwed his momentum. The pandemic is in the process of gutting the American direct market. During those months where people couldn't get into comic shops to buy them, a lot of people decided they really didn't miss buying comics and it might be a good chance to stop buying them. This goes for all comics across the board, sales are down and there are fewer stores than ever. They're probably starting over with a new #1 to get a little bump in numbers, but that won't last. Actually if you check out the link I posted with the sales figures earlier , this June's sales are way up more on sales than expected overall. www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2021/2021-06.html
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 12, 2021 8:17:13 GMT -5
I think if Jim came on the book a year earlier things would be a bit different, the pandemic screwed his momentum. The pandemic is in the process of gutting the American direct market. During those months where people couldn't get into comic shops to buy them, a lot of people decided they really didn't miss buying comics and it might be a good chance to stop buying them. This goes for all comics across the board, sales are down and there are fewer stores than ever. They're probably starting over with a new #1 to get a little bump in numbers, but that won't last. Actually if you check out the link I posted with the sales figures earlier , this June's sales are way up more on sales than expected overall. www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2021/2021-06.htmlSales to comic shops...remember, we never know if people are actually buying this stuff. The number of new comics that were released increased in June 2021 and there were 5 weeks in June 2021 as opposed to 4 weeks in the previous years. A good bit of those graphic novel sales are manga, too, not American comics. The more comics the big two release, the more retailers order. 2021 and 2022 will be a make it or break it period for the direct market. The big two can try to keep flooding the market but it's only created a bubble that's ready to burst.
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 12, 2021 10:04:05 GMT -5
As far as sales figures go I'm only really interested in seeing how Conan compares with the other floppy sales and really TBH it doesn't these days , unlike when it was at Marvel in the good old days when it was one of the top sellers. I _think_,unlike back then, retailers now base their orders on their customer's orders + a % , rather than guessing how many they_might_actually sell in the past.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 12, 2021 16:47:26 GMT -5
As far as sales figures go I'm only really interested in seeing how Conan compares with the other floppy sales and really TBH it doesn't these days , unlike when it was at Marvel in the good old days when it was one of the top sellers. I _think_,unlike back then, retailers now base their orders on their customer's orders + a % , rather than guessing how many they_might_actually sell in the past. Yeah it's a shame. Remember during the closing days of Conan: the Slayer at Dark Horse? It was easy to tell how many diehard Conan fans there were by the end of that series, as the sales figures were pretty consistent towards the end. About 7,000 of us diehards in the closing days. Which was a shame, much like with Jim's run over Aaron's run, Bunn's was a big improvement over what came before with Woods' Barbarian run.e.
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 16, 2021 14:57:49 GMT -5
Interesting that the June issue of CtB #22 sold just under 17k , Dark Horse's Conan #22 sold over 33k and yet Marvel , and probably Cabinet , rave over the success of Conan returning to Marvel. Yes of course there's Savage Avengers but I consider that an Avengers spin-off and doubt there wouldn't be _much_ of a fall off of sales if Conan wasn't in it!
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 25, 2021 13:31:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 13:49:17 GMT -5
Thanks Terry The Savage Sword omni sold well coming in 2nd in dollars and 10th in units Savage Sword Conan Original Marvel Years Omnibus HC Vol. 5 4,196 Conan Orig Marvel Yrs Epic Coll Curse Golden Skull 1,546
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 25, 2021 15:21:28 GMT -5
Those trade numbers are very nice, especially the omnibus.
Still stunning to see how close the Marvel and Ablaze issues are, this month they're practically the same. Did Marvel miscalculate by avoiding the adaptations?
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Post by karasuthecrow on Aug 26, 2021 20:40:36 GMT -5
Those trade numbers are very nice, especially the omnibus. Still stunning to see how close the Marvel and Ablaze issues are, this month they're practically the same. Did Marvel miscalculate by avoiding the adaptations? Most likely Conan and Howard fans are buying both comics. I think that by avoiding adaptations they are missing a lot of points, if I remember correctly when Dark Horse adapted less Howard stories they receive negative review but when they add more adaptations the reviews and reception increases.
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Post by crimsonblade on Aug 27, 2021 3:31:57 GMT -5
I personally buy both, but I get most of the variant covers for the Ablaze stuff, so I buy more Ablaze than Marvel Conan.
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 27, 2021 7:29:20 GMT -5
Those trade numbers are very nice, especially the omnibus. Still stunning to see how close the Marvel and Ablaze issues are, this month they're practically the same. Did Marvel miscalculate by avoiding the adaptations? Most likely Conan and Howard fans are buying both comics. I think that by avoiding adaptations they are missing a lot of points, if I remember correctly when Dark Horse adapted less Howard stories they receive negative review but when they add more adaptations the reviews and reception increases. Their original plan was to do the adaptations in chronological order following (basically) the Dark Storm chronology and fill in the gaps along the way. They did that when Kurt and Tim were the writers. They went a little off track when A) flipped Black Colossus and Iron Shadows and B) did Road of Kings with Roy Thomas to then bridge over to Queen which wouldn't have been necessary if they'd been done in the Dark Storm order. Then we had the Brian Wood era, Van Lendte brought it back on track and Bunn finished it up. All this doesn't get into the art after Giorello left. So while they technically never got away from the original plan, they lost the spirit and got it back too late to really do anything else. And again, that doesn't mention the wild shifts in art styles.
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Post by terryallenuk on Aug 27, 2021 12:47:58 GMT -5
As a comparison Marvel's CtB #23 sold 16,662 copies against Dark Horse Conan #23 which sold 32,593 copies.
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Post by ronan79 on Sept 14, 2021 7:17:30 GMT -5
As a comparison Marvel's CtB #23 sold 16,662 copies against Dark Horse Conan #23 which sold 32,593 copies. the beginning of DH was much more consistent... that can't be denied. But it was also another time neh... In recent years the dark horse only reached about 8k.
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Post by terryallenuk on Sept 14, 2021 8:14:27 GMT -5
As a comparison Marvel's CtB #23 sold 16,662 copies against Dark Horse Conan #23 which sold 32,593 copies. the beginning of DH was much more consistent... that can't be denied. But it was also another time neh... In recent years the dark horse only reached about 8k. True , but it took DH 15 years to get to those lows and Marvel are half way there in 2 ;-)
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