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Post by Ningauble on Apr 20, 2017 8:05:25 GMT -5
Deuce, I'm just glad the narrator went with the mistaken misspelling. Can you imagine hearing someone with a serious tone saying 'buh-hole' and 'buh-holes' about twenty times? It would be a trifle distracting because I'd be laughing my azz off. Quite honestly, I'm not sure HPL ever thought someone would read the name aloud. I have to say that "bhole" is just kinda uninspired. OTOH, "dhole", as my list in a previous post shows, is just too much used. Machen had "Dol" and then HPL created "Dhol", which is where it should've ended. Then, the supremely undertalented Frank Belknap Long had to come up with "doels". A whole 'nother term for the worm-beasts would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen. "Bholes" it is. Hmmm... HPL used "dhol" once, in "the Dhol chants" in "The Horror in the Museum" but that was in 1932. Long must have come up with "doel" before then, because HPL borrowed them in "The Whisperer in Darkness" in 1930, so if anything, HPL followed Long. (However, I don't think that's what happened; I think HPL and Long both took a queue from Machen.) |
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Apr 20, 2017 8:51:53 GMT -5
Quite honestly, I'm not sure HPL ever thought someone would read the name aloud. I have to say that "bhole" is just kinda uninspired. OTOH, "dhole", as my list in a previous post shows, is just too much used. Machen had "Dol" and then HPL created "Dhol", which is where it should've ended. Then, the supremely undertalented Frank Belknap Long had to come up with "doels". A whole 'nother term for the worm-beasts would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen. "Bholes" it is. Hmmm... HPL used "dhol" once, in "the Dhol chants" in "The Horror in the Museum" but that was in 1932. Long must have come up with "doel" before then, because HPL borrowed them in "The Whisperer in Darkness" in 1930, so if anything, HPL followed Long. (However, I don't think that's what happened; I think HPL and Long both took a queue from Machen.) I tend to agree. HPL was an admirer of Machen. I tend to feel the dhole wasn't so much uninspired as much as it was simply an homage. Obviously, had HPL wished to invent his own word here he's proven he can come up with 'em.
"Of living creators of cosmic fear raised to its most artistic pitch, few if any can hope to equal the versatile Arthur Machen; author of some dozen tales long and short, in which the elements of hidden horror and brooding fright attain an almost incomparable substance and realistic acuteness"
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Post by deuce on Apr 20, 2017 10:02:28 GMT -5
Quite honestly, I'm not sure HPL ever thought someone would read the name aloud. I have to say that "bhole" is just kinda uninspired. OTOH, "dhole", as my list in a previous post shows, is just too much used. Machen had "Dol" and then HPL created "Dhol", which is where it should've ended. Then, the supremely undertalented Frank Belknap Long had to come up with "doels". A whole 'nother term for the worm-beasts would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen. "Bholes" it is. Hmmm... HPL used "dhol" once, in "the Dhol chants" in "The Horror in the Museum" but that was in 1932. Long must have come up with "doel" before then, because HPL borrowed them in "The Whisperer in Darkness" in 1930, so if anything, HPL followed Long. That settles it! Frank Belknap Long was the true genius in the Lovecraft Circle. I just have to ask: Did you nitpick on Joshi this way when he kept putting "Schacabao" in all of those "authoritative" editions he was cranking out? You had the opportunity. People spent years trying to "decipher" and "discover" the meaning of the mysterious "Schacabao" partially because they had STJ's imprimatur for the accuracy of the name. All the while, we had "Schacabac" there in the original Arkham House editions. I own Night's Yawning Peal (1952), which contains one of the earliest printings of "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward." The text reads "Schacabac". I know of several Mythos scholars who tried to speculate on just what HPL "meant" by the odd and not very Arabic-looking "Schacabao". How many hours of their lives were utterly wasted by chasing a will-o-the-wisp endorsed by Joshi? Of course, that doesn't compare to the fact that I maligned Frank Belknap Long's creativity on the internet. Have you spoken to Joshi about the several errors in his HPL Penguin footnotes? I can think of one relating to REH and one relating to "The Picture in the House" just off the top of my head. Of course, those don't compare to my cyclopean faux pas quoted above. |
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Post by Ningauble on Apr 20, 2017 15:13:52 GMT -5
Hmmm... HPL used "dhol" once, in "the Dhol chants" in "The Horror in the Museum" but that was in 1932. Long must have come up with "doel" before then, because HPL borrowed them in "The Whisperer in Darkness" in 1930, so if anything, HPL followed Long. That settles it! Frank Belknap Long was the true genius in the Lovecraft Circle. I just have to ask: Did you nitpick on Joshi this way when he kept putting "Schacabao" in all of those "authoritative" editions he was cranking out? You had the opportunity. People spent years trying to "decipher" and "discover" the meaning of the mysterious "Schacabao" partially because they had STJ's imprimatur for the accuracy of the name. All the while, we had "Schacabac" there in the original Arkham House editions. I own Night's Yawning Peal (1952), which contains one of the earliest printings of "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward." The text reads "Schacabac". I know of several Mythos scholars who tried to speculate on just what HPL "meant" by the odd and not very Arabic-looking "Schacabao". How many hours of their lives were utterly wasted by chasing a will-o-the-wisp endorsed by Joshi? Of course, that doesn't compare to the fact that I maligned Frank Belknap Long's creativity on the internet. Have you spoken to Joshi about the several errors in his HPL Penguin footnotes? I can think of one relating to REH and one relating to "The Picture in the House" just off the top of my head. Of course, those don't compare to my cyclopean faux pas quoted above. When the first corrected Arkham House edition -- The Dunwich Horror and Others -- appeared in 1984, I was eight years old and had barely got my first library card. When the first annotated Penguin book -- The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories -- appeared in 1999, I didn't know S. T. So no, I didn't have the opportunity. In addition, I can only nitpick what I know about, so again no, I didn't bring up the given example, but I have nitpicked on other things -- I have a gift for it -- and we have had quite extensive exchanges on some of those. As for Ward: "earliest printings" is not a guarantee for textual accuracy, particularly not with Ward and Dream-Quest, with classics such as "scow" for "snow" and, indeed, "dhole" for "bhole". I wouldn't characterise your honest mistake as "cyclopean" -- you are unduly harsh on yourself there. No offense was intended and if any was taken, I can only blame my imperfect grasp, as a non-native speaker, of the finer points of English. Mea culpa. |
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Jul 19, 2017 7:24:19 GMT -5
A new audio release from The H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society is scheduled for August 20 - HPL's birthday. The reviews of the samples sound very promising. The format is interesting. Per their description these new readings of the complete works would encompass 42 CDs. So rather than create such an enormous bundle they've opted for an attractively cased thumb drive from which you can copy the files to your PC, make your own CDs, etc. This unit is currently available for pre-order only at $75.  |
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Jul 20, 2017 13:39:01 GMT -5
As HPL's birthday looms so does the NecronomiCon.
This would be an awesome event to attend, is any one going?  |
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Post by Ningauble on Jul 21, 2017 4:13:57 GMT -5
As HPL's birthday looms so does the NecronomiCon.
This would be an awesome event to attend, is any one going? Yeah! It's going to be great! (The one in '15 was awesome!) |
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Jul 21, 2017 7:43:01 GMT -5
As HPL's birthday looms so does the NecronomiCon.
This would be an awesome event to attend, is any one going? Yeah! It's going to be great! (The one in '15 was awesome!) Awesome! Glad a member here will be representing! Are you close? It's a 12+hr drive for me. One day I plan on visiting all the sites/graves of my favorite authors. A friend of mine was up towards Providence last year doing some Creo 3D training and visited HPL's memorial. He brought back a couple rubbings, gave me one which I have hung in my man cave.  |
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Post by Ningauble on Jul 21, 2017 15:43:32 GMT -5
Yeah! It's going to be great! (The one in '15 was awesome!) Awesome! Glad a member here will be representing! Are you close? It's a 12+hr drive for me. One day I plan on visiting all the sites/graves of my favorite authors. A friend of mine was up towards Providence last year doing some Creo 3D training and visited HPL's memorial. He brought back a couple rubbings, gave me one which I have hung in my man cave.  No, I'm not even in the same hemisphere. I think that I have 20 hours of travel (Cthulhu willing) between walking out my door and touching ground in Providence. And that's if everything goes without a hitch (touch wood). I'll be on two panels: one on Clark Ashton Smith (moderating) and one on R. H. Barlow. I've visited Lovecraft's grave (obviously), and Tolkien's and Lewis's (both in Oxford). |
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Post by paulmc on Jul 24, 2017 9:58:38 GMT -5
As HPL's birthday looms so does the NecronomiCon.
This would be an awesome event to attend, is any one going? I'll be going for a couple of the days. I'm not staying at the hotel as I'm about an hour drive away. Last time I spent the day hanging out with the Robert E. Howard Foundation folks. Maybe I'll be a little more Lovecraftian this time because I'll have more time. (Dealers' room is going to kill me) |
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Post by paulmc on Jul 24, 2017 10:09:15 GMT -5
And, if you ever are in Providence and have an interest in HPL / Cthulhu Mythos / etc., put this store on your list. I finally went there this weekend. It is tiny but *packed* with good books and merchandise.  ![]()  |
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Jul 24, 2017 10:30:43 GMT -5
As HPL's birthday looms so does the NecronomiCon.
This would be an awesome event to attend, is any one going? I'll be going for a couple of the days. I'm not staying at the hotel as I'm about an hour drive away. Last time I spent the day hanging out with the Robert E. Howard Foundation folks. Maybe I'll be a little more Lovecraftian this time because I'll have more time. (Dealers' room is going to kill me) Awesome to hear - I'm going to try to make it next year. I'm leaving next week for the ERB function in MI and just can't squeeze another trip in so close. 'The Man' frowns on it here. That store front you posted is amazing. I'd love to go in there with a fistful of dollars. |
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Post by paulmc on Jul 24, 2017 11:10:02 GMT -5
I'll be going for a couple of the days. I'm not staying at the hotel as I'm about an hour drive away. Last time I spent the day hanging out with the Robert E. Howard Foundation folks. Maybe I'll be a little more Lovecraftian this time because I'll have more time. (Dealers' room is going to kill me) Awesome to hear - I'm going to try to make it next year. I'm leaving next week for the ERB function in MI and just can't squeeze another trip in so close. 'The Man' frowns on it here. That store front you posted is amazing. I'd love to go in there with a fistful of dollars. FYI; they hold it every 2 years, so the next shot is 2019. I think that's smart of them to do, it generates more interest and commitment, I bet. The store has a website store, too, if you dare. Might not offer used books and other things, though. www.weirdprovidence.org/store/c1/Featured_Products.html |
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Post by ChrisLAdams on Jul 24, 2017 11:14:26 GMT -5
Awesome to hear - I'm going to try to make it next year. I'm leaving next week for the ERB function in MI and just can't squeeze another trip in so close. 'The Man' frowns on it here. That store front you posted is amazing. I'd love to go in there with a fistful of dollars. FYI; they hold it every 2 years, so the next shot is 2019. I think that's smart of them to do, it generates more interest and commitment, I bet. The store has a website store, too, if you dare. Might not offer used books and other things, though. www.weirdprovidence.org/store/c1/Featured_Products.htmlThanks for the heads up - 2019 it is  |
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Post by buxom9sorceress on Aug 1, 2017 22:35:12 GMT -5
-  - The brilliant weird mind which thrills us all, forever... Hail and salute HPLovecraft across the universe. |
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