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Post by conanfan on May 16, 2020 19:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by darklordbob on May 17, 2020 9:39:06 GMT -5
I can't remember which film has the bridge made of dinosaur bones--Conan the Destroyer or Red Sonja? Sonja.
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Post by conanfan on May 17, 2020 21:57:15 GMT -5
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Post by boot on May 20, 2020 17:23:53 GMT -5
I didn't when it came out, but I saw Sonja about a year ago...and I liked it!
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Post by themirrorthief on May 22, 2020 22:07:16 GMT -5
the Sonja movie isn't as bad as some say IMO
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Post by theironshadow on May 25, 2020 11:22:17 GMT -5
I wonder how much influence the producers of Conan The Destroyer had on the tone of the film... Conan with a comedy sidekick just.. doesn't work, no offense to Tracey Walter, and hiring Wilt Chamberlian was just a bad idea. At least Grace Jones seemed to be enjoying herself.
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Post by boot on May 25, 2020 16:03:28 GMT -5
I wonder how much influence the producers of Conan The Destroyer had on the tone of the film... Conan with a comedy sidekick just.. doesn't work, no offense to Tracey Walter, and hiring Wilt Chamberlian was just a bad idea. At least Grace Jones seemed to be enjoying herself. The Producers had a great deal of influence on this film, from what I understand. The director was a hired gun who had worked a multitude of varied subjects, where as Milius, on the first film, had a great deal of influence on that film. Conan The Barbarian was a successful film, but, for some reason, the producers thought more money could be made if they came in with a PG rating rather than an R rating. They wanted to lighten it up a bit--make it a more fun, instead of grim, movie experience. Largely, the role of the thief, Malak (Tracey Walter), was created to be the comic relief. Hiring Wilt Chamberlain didn't seem like such a bad idea after hiring the surfing champion, Gerry Lopez, to play Subotai in the first film. That came off well. In my opinion, it was not only Walter's part that hurt the film but also some of the special effects. I saw this film in the theater when it came out, and I remember rolling my eyes at the Dagoth monster at the end. It looked so cheap, even back then! And, the Beast-man/Thulsa/Mirror scene was just laughable. A few tweaks, and this could have been a pretty good film.
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Post by theironshadow on May 26, 2020 6:32:51 GMT -5
I wonder how much influence the producers of Conan The Destroyer had on the tone of the film... Conan with a comedy sidekick just.. doesn't work, no offense to Tracey Walter, and hiring Wilt Chamberlian was just a bad idea. At least Grace Jones seemed to be enjoying herself. The Producers had a great deal of influence on this film, from what I understand. The director was a hired gun who had worked a multitude of varied subjects, where as Milius, on the first film, had a great deal of influence on that film. Conan The Barbarian was a successful film, but, for some reason, the producers thought more money could be made if they came in with a PG rating rather than an R rating. They wanted to lighten it up a bit--make it a more fun, instead of grim, movie experience. Largely, the role of the thief, Malak (Tracey Walter), was created to be the comic relief. Hiring Wilt Chamberlain didn't seem like such a bad idea after hiring the surfing champion, Gerry Lopez, to play Subotai in the first film. That came off well. In my opinion, it was not only Walter's part that hurt the film but also some of the special effects. I saw this film in the theater when it came out, and I remember rolling my eyes at the Dagoth monster at the end. It looked so cheap, even back then! And, the Beast-man/Thulsa/Mirror scene was just laughable. A few tweaks, and this could have been a pretty good film. Boot, i'm actually amazed athow much violence is in this film for a movie that was rated PG in the US. This is obviously before any film was rated PG13. You've also nailed any number of points of contention i have about the film, though h i still feel that Chamberlain couldn't act, unlike Lopez. As for the Beast Man Mirror scene, that just comes off as a major plot rewrite, as it just doesn't work having the master of the castle of Toth Amon morphing into an ape-creature and thenengaging in a wrestling match with Conan!
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Post by zarono on Nov 16, 2020 8:57:17 GMT -5
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Post by theironshadow on Nov 16, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
Not surprised Conan has a smile on his face; couple of decent looking women on his arm's and he looks like the cat that got the proverbial cream! And the girl on the left of the image looks like parts of her costume have been painted on!
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Post by BlackHeart on Nov 20, 2020 14:02:06 GMT -5
"But you couldn’t make Conan the Barbarian into Conan the Baby-sitter. He was not a PG character. He was a violent guy who lived for conquest and revenge. What made him heroic was his physique, his skill as a warrior, his ability to endure pain, and his sense of loyalty and honor, with a little humor thrown in. Toning him down to PG might broaden the audience at first, but it would undermine the franchise because the hard-core Conan fanatics would be upset. You have to satisfy your best customers first. Who were the people who read Conan stories? Who were the Conan comic-book fanatics? They’d made it clear that they loved Conan the Barbarian. So if you wanted to make them love the sequel even more, you should improve the plot, make the story spicier, and make the action scenes even more amazing. Focusing on ratings was the wrong approach. I made my opinion clear to Dino, Raffaella, and the studio, and we had our discussions. “You are wimping out” I told them. “You are not being true to what Conan is about. Maybe you should get out fo the business of doing a Conan franchise if you are embarrassed about violence or what the character represents. Just drop it or sell it to someone else! But don’t go and make it something that it is not.” It was no use. In the end I was stuck with their decision because I was bound by a contract." -Excerpt from Arnold Schwartzenegger's Autobiography 'Total Recall – My Unbelieveably True Life Story' chapter 16, pages 304-305 published in 2012 ⚔️
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 21, 2020 16:48:44 GMT -5
Arnold had it right, but his time to fix the mistakes of CTD was 1986-1989 when he had maximum box office clout. At the very latest 1993.
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Post by BlackHeart on Nov 24, 2020 2:09:42 GMT -5
Arnold had it right, but his time to fix the mistakes of CTD was 1986-1989 when he had maximum box office clout. At the very latest 1993. True. But, maybe he could've done it even in later 90s... Pogue did solid Conqueror script (later ruined into Kull the Playboy, I know). It would've been fine closure to Arnies trylogy. Damn... Sometimes I think there's a curse on REHs characters, brother...
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Post by kemp on Nov 24, 2020 4:34:31 GMT -5
Conan the Destroyer gets my worst sequel to a great movie award. For me, Ctd lost that savage feel that was present in the original Conan the Barbarian film.
A Conan movie needs to feel and look like a Conan movie, at least in spirit, even if it's not true to Howard, the sex, violence and nihilistic world view is a part of that package, take that away and you end up with a mediocre travel adventure fantasy flick for general family viewing, reminiscent of Willow.
You end up with this.
Now that was a terrible nod to the ape like Thak from 'Rogues in the House'.
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Post by theironshadow on Nov 24, 2020 6:55:22 GMT -5
I haven't seen that for years, it's frickin' terrible! Just realised that the actual thing that killed my fledgling interest in Conan was being exposed to The Destroyer way back in the 80's. I didn't know anyone else who was into Conan, and because of that i had little to no interest in reading any Howard post-film!
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