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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 4:03:18 GMT -5
We should get some kinda creatures/monsters in this movie, hopefully not as bad as the CGI Lion in Rogue   |
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Post by kemp on Sept 21, 2022 4:03:45 GMT -5
Hopefully, that 'alteration' just northeast of Bulgaria doesn't escalate to the point that they need to put the project on hold and make an orderly exit. Miss the days when they shot sword and sorcey flicks in California and Nevada, beautiful natural location shots with that right look, think Beastmaster and The Sword and the Sorcerer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 4:04:57 GMT -5
There is always the uncomfortable thought that the Red Sonja film will look something like the Hercules or Xena tv series from years ago. Well, if you are trying to present the Hyborian era, characters and monsters by shooting a film in a realistic style, with a limited budget and wi th Bulgarian costume designers and make-up department, as MJ does, then, yes, there is that uncomfortable thought.Yeah, I agree. I've not been impressed with what little I have seen of the costume design so far. |
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Post by hyrkanian on Sept 21, 2022 5:26:07 GMT -5
We should get some kinda creatures/monsters in this movie, hopefully not as bad as the CGI Lion in Rogue Ha, ha, yes, really cringey CGI.
The budget for Sonja isn't that miserable so probably CGI won't be so lame and funny.
But it does not necessarily mean that they will succeed in creating believable and original Hyborian monsters.
Even Nispel's team with a solid budget for Conan movie couldn't create anything more than that poor octopus.
If they can't or don't have the money to create Lovecraftian monsters from Conan and Sonja's world, then it's better not to even try, and especially not to copy dragons from LOTR and GOT (on MJ's Instagram I saw a drawn dragon on a map that will apparently be used in the movie) that don't belong in the Hyborian world.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 5:42:23 GMT -5
We should get some kinda creatures/monsters in this movie, hopefully not as bad as the CGI Lion in Rogue Ha, ha, yes, really cringey CGI.
The budget for Sonja isn't that miserable so probably CGI won't be so lame and funny.
But it does not necessarily mean that they will succeed in creating believable and original Hyborian monsters.
Even Nispel's team with a solid budget for Conan movie couldn't create anything more than that poor octopus.
If they can't or don't have the money to create Lovecraftian monsters from Conan and Sonja's world, then it's better not to even try, and especially not to copy dragons from LOTR and GOT (on MJ's Instagram I saw a drawn dragon on a map that will apparently be used in the movie) that don't belong in the Hyborian world.
You mean this one? Hopefully they don't attempt anything like this in the movie.  |
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Post by hyrkanian on Sept 21, 2022 5:49:56 GMT -5
Yes, that's the one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 6:09:28 GMT -5
Not ideal concept art for a project set in the Hyborian Age |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 21, 2022 11:51:25 GMT -5
Hopefully, that 'alteration' just northeast of Bulgaria doesn't escalate to the point that they need to put the project on hold and make an orderly exit. Miss the days when they shot sword and sorcey flicks in California and Nevada, beautiful natural location shots with that right look, think Beastmaster and The Sword and the Sorcerer. Who knows they might have to do just that. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not trying to get as much in the can as possible for these outdoor scenes just in case things get even crazier in that part of the world. Also, for everyone talking about the Hyborian Age.... I'm not sure that's what we are going to get. I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea how the Red Sonja rights are handled (or how she even was broken off from the Robert E. Howard portfolio, after all she was created by Roy Thomas and BWS as work for hire for Marvel, who had the Conan license, now suddenly she's owned by someone other than REH Properties) but I bet they are going for a more, sadly, generic S&S pre-history type of setting. So that may be why we see Dragons in the set pieces, etc... While this doesn't look terrible, I think everyone should temper their expectations in regards to this being anything Howardian. MJ is a good filmmaker, there is only so much she can do if the script isn't up to par. |
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 21, 2022 12:10:14 GMT -5
It is odd that even though Howard put Dragon in a story title (and scared DeCamp to the point of him changing it), we only got the one in Red Nails, just a crawling creature. This film does not need even that, let alone something you can yell Dracarys! at.
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Post by terryallenuk on Sept 21, 2022 12:37:50 GMT -5
Hopefully, that 'alteration' just northeast of Bulgaria doesn't escalate to the point that they need to put the project on hold and make an orderly exit. Miss the days when they shot sword and sorcey flicks in California and Nevada, beautiful natural location shots with that right look, think Beastmaster and The Sword and the Sorcerer. Who knows they might have to do just that. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not trying to get as much in the can as possible for these outdoor scenes just in case things get even crazier in that part of the world. Also, for everyone talking about the Hyborian Age.... I'm not sure that's what we are going to get. I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea how the Red Sonja rights are handled (or how she even was broken off from the Robert E. Howard portfolio, after all she was created by Roy Thomas and BWS as work for hire for Marvel, who had the Conan license, now suddenly she's owned by someone other than REH Properties) but I bet they are going for a more, sadly, generic S&S pre-history type of setting. So that may be why we see Dragons in the set pieces, etc... While this doesn't look terrible, I think everyone should temper their expectations in regards to this being anything Howardian. MJ is a good filmmaker, there is only so much she can do if the script isn't up to par. As part of the settlement between Red Sonja Corp. and Paradox at the time in the Sonja v Sonya Court case it was said ..."the agreement makes clear that Paradox owns the rights to the “Age of Hyboria,” the name for Conan’s time period, but Red Sonja LLC is allowed to place its character in Hyboria, where she was created to exist in the first place." |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 21, 2022 13:03:41 GMT -5
Who knows they might have to do just that. I wouldn't be surprised if they are not trying to get as much in the can as possible for these outdoor scenes just in case things get even crazier in that part of the world. Also, for everyone talking about the Hyborian Age.... I'm not sure that's what we are going to get. I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea how the Red Sonja rights are handled (or how she even was broken off from the Robert E. Howard portfolio, after all she was created by Roy Thomas and BWS as work for hire for Marvel, who had the Conan license, now suddenly she's owned by someone other than REH Properties) but I bet they are going for a more, sadly, generic S&S pre-history type of setting. So that may be why we see Dragons in the set pieces, etc... While this doesn't look terrible, I think everyone should temper their expectations in regards to this being anything Howardian. MJ is a good filmmaker, there is only so much she can do if the script isn't up to par. As part of the settlement between Red Sonja Corp. and Paradox at the time in the Sonja v Sonya Court case it was said ..."the agreement makes clear that Paradox owns the rights to the “Age of Hyboria,” the name for Conan’s time period, but Red Sonja LLC is allowed to place its character in Hyboria, where she was created to exist in the first place." It will be interesting to see if that includes ALL media, or just the comics.... From the settlement, nothing is specified, so I guess it includes all forms of media. Here's an archival article: lyceecharlesdegaulle.eu/settlement-in-red-sonya-v-red-sonja-lawsuit/ |
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Post by terryallenuk on Sept 21, 2022 13:55:17 GMT -5
As part of the settlement between Red Sonja Corp. and Paradox at the time in the Sonja v Sonya Court case it was said ..."the agreement makes clear that Paradox owns the rights to the “Age of Hyboria,” the name for Conan’s time period, but Red Sonja LLC is allowed to place its character in Hyboria, where she was created to exist in the first place." It will be interesting to see if that includes ALL media, or just the comics.... From the settlement, nothing is specified, so I guess it includes all forms of media. Here's an archival article: lyceecharlesdegaulle.eu/settlement-in-red-sonya-v-red-sonja-lawsuit/I'd agree with you it would be all media as it was between the two parent companies. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 14:09:01 GMT -5
I'd agree with you it would be all media as it was between the two parent companies. Can they use the Hyborian Age characters from the REH Conan yarns in the comics and movies as well? |
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Post by terryallenuk on Sept 21, 2022 14:36:37 GMT -5
I'd agree with you it would be all media as it was between the two parent companies. Can they use the Hyborian Age characters from the REH Conan yarns in the comics and movies as well? I wouldn't think so , I'd say it's just the countries as a setting. I only read the first couple of years of the Dynamite run and can't remember any Howard characters. Does anyone know any from more recent tales? Though with Ablaze using Belit and Valeria things might have changed. |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Sept 21, 2022 14:55:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems like the deal was:
Red Sonja LLC:
Own Red Sonja and Red Sonya trademarks.
Are allowed to use the Hyborian Age. (FYI the Hyborian Age essay is public domain anyway and that's where REH laid it all out....https://www.gutenberg.org/files/42182/42182-h/42182-h.htm)
The IP Holding Company
Own all of REH's work
Own exclusive publishing rights to "Shadow of the Vulture."
So I doubt they would let them use any other REH characters or concepts without licensing them.
Thulsa Doom appeared in some Red Sonja comics but I'm not sure if that was before or after this agreement. I don't think he's in any public domain Kull stories is he? Then again, this Thulsa Doom was obviously a younger version of James Earl Jones from CtB, not from Kull.
That was always a gray area.
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