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Post by kemp on Sept 27, 2022 4:52:58 GMT -5
Well, there is a Red Sonja when you consider that she was a comic book creation by Roy Thomas. Both comic book Red Sonja and REH Conan are fictional creations with their own share of influences.
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Post by hyrkanian on Sept 27, 2022 5:52:33 GMT -5
Exactly, but that post from robp is so pointless it doesn't even deserve a reply.
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Post by BlackHeart on Sept 27, 2022 8:02:24 GMT -5
So it won't be a comic origin. The video has apparently been deleted, I didn't even see it, brother hun, but it doesn't matter... In the end, it's still a film as a product of this barren and cowardly time, so it doesn't even matter. As I said, for me the chance for a serious Sonja film passed with Rodriguez 12 years ago. To hell with this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 8:13:51 GMT -5
So it won't be a comic origin. The video has apparently been deleted, I didn't even see it, brother hun, but it doesn't matter... In the end, it's still a film as a product of this barren and cowardly time, so it doesn't even matter. As I said, for me the chance for a serious Sonja film passed with Rodriguez 12 years ago. To hell with this. It is still there. I think the instagram video is a little touchy: http://instagram.com/p/CfLWHp7qM2L |
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Post by hyrkanian on Sept 27, 2022 8:28:31 GMT -5
As far as I remember, MJ said that RS origin from the comics existed in the scripts of people who worked on the movie before her, but I don't know if she meant Rodriguez or Ashley Miller. Definitely not Huo and Soloway. It's probably Rodriguez though; as I said before, I wasn't thrilled with his personal/private life casting of the lead actress, but it's certain that his adaptation of Sonja would be true to the comics and novels.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 19:04:41 GMT -5
The Q and A thread was deleted. Either they asked him to do it or he changed his mind and realized that maybe he shouldn't have shared information from the set and his personal impressions about MJ way of work and Hanna as Red Sonja. In any case, his answers were very informative but did not surprise us much. In relation to Matilda, he mostly confirmed what we had suspected and also about limited budget. The only thing that (unpleasantly) surprised me was: "Sonja is being taken away and she is screaming in agony and despair." That's not Red Sonja. But there is no Red Sonja really, not in the same way there is a Conan, or a Bran Mak Morn. I kinda agree, I guess on the plus side it gives the filmmakers a great deal of freedom to develop the character any way they like. The only way to do the character justice on screen is to go back to REH and make the movie based on Shadow of the Vulture like Roy Thomas did in CtB. Then you can develop the character after the adaptation. Red Sonja was popular in CtB, especially with great artists like BWS, John Buscema and Neal Adams on the book. You could not say the same when Red Sonja got her own title, the books were cancelled numerous times at Marvel not even making it beyond issue 15. Even the origin turned up in other books like Kull and the Barbarians and a back up story in SSOC. The Red Sonja comics published by Dynamite comics have proved to be successful for almost 2 decades now. It is not surprising that the movie will be based on the new stuff at Dynamite - with ridiculous yarns like the Zamorans building a bridge over the Vilayet Sea to invade Hyrkania!! If Dynamite do not care about the consistency of the world Red Sonja inhabits why should any director or filmmaker? |
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Post by kemp on Sept 28, 2022 3:04:15 GMT -5
I watched that instagram, Michael J Bassett said that she didn't want Red to be a product of men and sexual violence so that's one break away from the comics origin story. As MJ said, it's her take on Red Sonja.
There was also a quip at the end that she wasn't really big on '300', shame, that sudden violent style ( think Gladiator ) would have fit Red Sonja. Bassett seemed somewhat confused about the concept.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 5:58:54 GMT -5
I watched that instagram, Michael J Bassett said that she didn't want Red to be a product of men and sexual violence so that's one break away from the comics origin story. As MJ said, it's her take on Red Sonja. There was also a quip at the end that she wasn't really big on '300', shame, that sudden violent style ( think Gladiator ) would have fit Red Sonja. Bassett seemed somewhat confused about the concept. I kinda get the lack of interest in the origin, it is a little dated. I could only imagine an incredibly brave director that loved the early Red Sonja comics going for that. I agree, the 300 comment seemed weird. I think maybe she's trying to say that the movie will not be as stylised as 300, that kinda remained true to the aesthetic of the Frank Miller comic. I think? I dunno? I gotta admit Matilda Lutz does not look strong enough to portray Red Sonja - but you never know, it could work out. |
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Post by kemp on Sept 28, 2022 6:26:11 GMT -5
I watched that instagram, Michael J Bassett said that she didn't want Red to be a product of men and sexual violence so that's one break away from the comics origin story. As MJ said, it's her take on Red Sonja. There was also a quip at the end that she wasn't really big on '300', shame, that sudden violent style ( think Gladiator ) would have fit Red Sonja. Bassett seemed somewhat confused about the concept. I kinda get the lack of interest in the origin, it is a little dated. I could only imagine an incredibly brave director that loved the early Red Sonja comics going for that. I agree, the 300 comment seemed weird. I think maybe she's trying to say that the movie will not be as stylised as 300, that kinda remained true to the aesthetic of the Frank Miller comic. I think? I dunno? I gotta admit Matilda Lutz does not look strong enough to portray Red Sonja - but you never know, it could work out. Definitely not the best casting, Matilda Lutz wouldn't be my first choice, not even my second or third for that matter, but that's what they settled on. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 7:24:06 GMT -5
I kinda get the lack of interest in the origin, it is a little dated. I could only imagine an incredibly brave director that loved the early Red Sonja comics going for that. I agree, the 300 comment seemed weird. I think maybe she's trying to say that the movie will not be as stylised as 300, that kinda remained true to the aesthetic of the Frank Miller comic. I think? I dunno? I gotta admit Matilda Lutz does not look strong enough to portray Red Sonja - but you never know, it could work out. Definitely not the best casting, Matilda Lutz wouldn't be my first choice, not even my second or third for that matter, but that's what they settled on. I think she looks good, maybe a little too cute to be Red Sonja. It's gonna difficult to convince the audience that she's a great warrior looking at her physique. |
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Post by BlackHeart on Sept 28, 2022 7:53:02 GMT -5
I'd go with Bella Thorne. A couple of months at the gym, a good make-up team and a good costume, and there's one fine Sonja. Definitely, the potential for a vicious attitude is there.
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Post by robp on Sept 28, 2022 12:11:19 GMT -5
But there is no Red Sonja really, not in the same way there is a Conan, or a Bran Mak Morn. I kinda agree, I guess on the plus side it gives the filmmakers a great deal of freedom to develop the character any way they like. The only way to do the character justice on screen is to go back to REH and make the movie based on Shadow of the Vulture like Roy Thomas did in CtB. Then you can develop the character after the adaptation. Red Sonja was popular in CtB, especially with great artists like BWS, John Buscema and Neal Adams on the book. You could not say the same when Red Sonja got her own title, the books were cancelled numerous times at Marvel not even making it beyond issue 15. Even the origin turned up in other books like Kull and the Barbarians and a back up story in SSOC. The Red Sonja comics published by Dynamite comics have proved to be successful for almost 2 decades now. It is not surprising that the movie will be based on the new stuff at Dynamite - with ridiculous yarns like the Zamorans building a bridge over the Vilayet Sea to invade Hyrkania!! If Dynamite do not care about the consistency of the world Red Sonja inhabits why should any director or filmmaker? Exactly - the Shadow of the Vulture / Siege of Makkalet was a good story arc, with great writing and art from Thomas and BWS. Since then, as you say, the character has become something of a generic woman warrior with a magic bikini, and a certain amount of concern about the show seems to be are her t-ts are big enough. |
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Post by kemp on Sept 29, 2022 8:31:39 GMT -5
Definitely not the best casting, Matilda Lutz wouldn't be my first choice, not even my second or third for that matter, but that's what they settled on. I think she looks good, maybe a little too cute to be Red Sonja. It's gonna difficult to convince the audience that she's a great warrior looking at her physique. I was thinking something along those lines too, that Matilda Lutz was perhaps, to put it simplistically, 'too girly' to play Red Sonja. |
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Post by johnnypt on Sept 29, 2022 9:18:36 GMT -5
I think she looks good, maybe a little too cute to be Red Sonja. It's gonna difficult to convince the audience that she's a great warrior looking at her physique. I was thinking something along those lines too, that Matilda Lutz was perhaps, to put it simplistically, 'too girly' to play Red Sonja. Yeah, it's just TOO extreme. I remember all the Wonder Woman Gal Gadot concerns but she'd had the Fast & Furious films in her background, plus her real life experience showed she could handle it, which in the end she pretty much did. This time, I don't think they'll be able to pull a Keira Knightly beanpole type of thing because the character has been depicted so long as one way, from Smith, Buscema, Adams, Thorne and all the gang at Dynamite to Brigette and Angelica in the moving image. Her performance may be spot on, you'll just have to put the image out of your mind, which isn't the best way to make a film. |
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Post by kemp on Sept 30, 2022 5:35:35 GMT -5
I was thinking something along those lines too, that Matilda Lutz was perhaps, to put it simplistically, 'too girly' to play Red Sonja. Yeah, it's just TOO extreme. I remember all the Wonder Woman Gal Gadot concerns but she'd had the Fast & Furious films in her background, plus her real life experience showed she could handle it, which in the end she pretty much did. This time, I don't think they'll be able to pull a Keira Knightly beanpole type of thing because the character has been depicted so long as one way, from Smith, Buscema, Adams, Thorne and all the gang at Dynamite to Brigette and Angelica in the moving image. Her performance may be spot on, you'll just have to put the image out of your mind, which isn't the best way to make a film. The 5 ' 10 Gal Gadot already had that statuesque look about her so they could work her into Wonder Woman, the sequel sucked, but that wasn't Gadot's fault. She was close to perfect for the Wonder Woman look, maybe even surpassing Lynda Carter from the 70's tv series. Maybe Matilda Lutz will pull off some miracle where she can make 'her Red Sonja' one viable version of the comic book character, the way Arnie made his version of Conan which kinda worked in CtB, even though it was not what most of us imagined when reading REH's Conan. It yet remains to be seen. |
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