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Post by johnnypt on Feb 21, 2019 17:04:20 GMT -5
All you guys talking about The Sword and the Sorcerer had me looking it up last night. The only version I found that I could watch immediately was a Rifftrax version (like MST3K without the guys at the bottom of the screen). I watched it anyway. I can see what some folks here mean by it capturing a bit of the spirit of Conan, but yeah that was a baaad flick. Not as bad as some S&S films I've seen though. The Rifftrax version was pretty hilarious. It's free to watch on Amazon prime. I watched that version recently, the guys had a lot to riff on! |
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 21, 2019 17:05:52 GMT -5
One of the things the 82 film messed up most for me was Arnold's dialogue. It did not seem like stuff the real Conan would say; like the backhanded prayer to Crom, and that conversation with subotai before the major battle scene about spring wind and pick'en blue barriers. Those are simply not things Conan would say. I also hated how reserved Arnold's Conan is, it's almost like he is incapable of speaking sometimes. Yeah, in terms of philosophy and speech, that’s not Howard, that’s Milius. |
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Post by Aryeh on Feb 21, 2019 18:59:57 GMT -5
Sword & the Sorcerer was good...for what it was. Comparing John Milius and Albert Pyun as auteurs...well, speaks for itself.
Not just that I agree, but I also think this is more-less all that needs to be said on that subject.
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Post by kemp on Feb 22, 2019 7:14:32 GMT -5
I know that directors and producers have always been at logger heads with the studio execs when it came to making movies, but it just seems to me that back in the 70’s and 80’s there was this spontaneity, sometimes it worked out, sometimes it came out cheesy or really badly, but it had life, you got the impression ( when compared to many offerings these days ) that it didn’t go through a multitude of boardrooms or something before the final cut. The Solomon Kane director Michael J Bassett ran into that problem too. The studio forced him to run an origin story for Kane, which is why in the movie the Solomon Kane we all recognise didn’t fully appear until the last reel. But conversely, it must be hard for a studio to take risks when these days for a major cinematic release they've likely got upwards of 100 million of investor money riding on a project. How many people can we cram into the cinemas, are the mum and dad's going to to take their kids to watch this, are the parents going to like this, does it attract teens and young adults, what about the international markets, will the Chinese get this..... and on it goes. All about the bottom line these days, the returns,and this is doubly true when we talk about the major studios. The unfortunate consequence of this type type of rationalist thinking is that we get to miss out on some potentially good movies because the studios have decided that they are too niche. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 17:17:42 GMT -5
Arnold Schwarzenegger Details the Hold Up on ‘King Conan’ Projectwww.bleedingcool.com/2019/03/04/arnold-schwarzenegger-details-the-hold-up-on-king-conan-project/ Just this past weekend, Schwarzenegger spoke with TheArnoldFans.com about what the hold up actually is, and how steadfast he’s been in his efforts to get it made. “When it comes to the movie, the sad stuff about all of this is when there’s an estate like this, The Robert E. Howard estate…when someone buys these rights, those people now own the rights and they have their own vision of what they want to do and the guy that has the rights is some young guy and he’s trying to figure out how to get his way through Hollywood and this is not easy to do. So there are people that say to him, ‘why don’t you start with a TV series and then he negotiates for a TV series and that falls apart.
And then he goes maybe to Netflix and that falls apart. Then he decides to make a movie maybe…but in the meantime, we have been trying to convince him for years now that the way to go is to come back and hire a really great director and to do another Conan movie and have me play King Conan, when Conan is like 70 years old and he’s disgusted by sitting on the throne and being the king and then something happens after that. It’s really not that far from creating a finished script. The only one who really has to pull the trigger there is the people who own the Conan rights to do a movie. Let’s go to Netflix or whoever it is, let’s hire a director who’s very creative and can elevate the project to make it a winning project. I hope it will be done very soon because I think it’s a great idea.”
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Post by johnnypt on Mar 4, 2019 17:23:17 GMT -5
Sounds like he's busting Ryan's chops there a bit.
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Post by Aryeh on Mar 4, 2019 18:15:34 GMT -5
Arnold Schwarzenegger Details the Hold Up on ‘King Conan’ Projectwww.bleedingcool.com/2019/03/04/arnold-schwarzenegger-details-the-hold-up-on-king-conan-project/Just this past weekend, Schwarzenegger spoke with TheArnoldFans.com about what the hold up actually is, and how steadfast he’s been in his efforts to get it made. “When it comes to the movie, the sad stuff about all of this is when there’s an estate like this, The Robert E. Howard estate…when someone buys these rights, those people now own the rights and they have their own vision of what they want to do and the guy that has the rights is some young guy and he’s trying to figure out how to get his way through Hollywood and this is not easy to do. So there are people that say to him, ‘why don’t you start with a TV series and then he negotiates for a TV series and that falls apart.
And then he goes maybe to Netflix and that falls apart. Then he decides to make a movie maybe…but in the meantime, we have been trying to convince him for years now that the way to go is to come back and hire a really great director and to do another Conan movie and have me play King Conan, when Conan is like 70 years old and he’s disgusted by sitting on the throne and being the king and then something happens after that. It’s really not that far from creating a finished script. The only one who really has to pull the trigger there is the people who own the Conan rights to do a movie. Let’s go to Netflix or whoever it is, let’s hire a director who’s very creative and can elevate the project to make it a winning project. I hope it will be done very soon because I think it’s a great idea.”
Although he is stating what has by now become painfully obvious, it is still nice to hear someone as big as Schwarzenegger say these things about people who own Conan rights i.e. Frederik Malmberg & co.--at the end of the day, it was their responsibility to do something with those rights but they did nothing good.
And I am also very glad Schwarzenegger is mentioning creative directors, because Malmberg was continuously remaining deaf to some great directors publicly stating they would be interested in becoming involved with the new Conan movie (Coppola, Milius, Verhoeven, Darabont...).
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Post by Jason Aiken on Mar 4, 2019 23:17:27 GMT -5
While it's not my first choice, I'd definitely watch Old Man Conan.
It would be awesome to see a 300-style rated R flick with Arnie going out in style. None of his kids in it, though. There's only one Conan, I don't care about his sons.
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Post by attilaman66 on Mar 4, 2019 23:36:35 GMT -5
Would love to see this movie from Coppola.
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Post by Char-Vell on Mar 5, 2019 7:35:32 GMT -5
While it's not my first choice, I'd definitely watch Old Man Conan. It would be awesome to see a 300-style rated R flick with Arnie going out in style. None of his kids in it, though. There's only one Conan, I don't care about his sons. I dunno, I would watch the hell out of a "Sons of Conan" anthology series.
Each episode would follow a different offspring of Conan on an adventure.
You know there were a ton of them spread across the earth.
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Post by johnnypt on Mar 5, 2019 8:20:26 GMT -5
He definitely has a point about getting really creative people involved. As I mentioned in this thread or one of the other ones, compare Milius and Nispel as autuers...no contest. A Coppola Conan in the 80s (doing this after One From the Heart instead of Cotton Club), a Verhoeven in the 90s, a Darabont in the 2000s could've been great. Hell, a Richard Fleischer late 60s-early 70s Conan would've been cool. Unfortunately I think time has passed Francis and Paul by, though Frank still probably has a number of good years still in him.
I'm sure a bunch of us will be enjoying Miguel's work on that epic GoT battle this season and saying "we coulda had this on Conan..." They needed someone with the sheer ability to carry the project and get the right funding, right cast, etc. Apparently that wasn't Ryan and at this point, I don't think it's Arnold. There's got to be someone who can do it...
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Post by deepermagic on Mar 5, 2019 9:54:20 GMT -5
So what's the deal with Malmberg? Seems like it's all hinging on him.
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Post by johnnypt on Mar 5, 2019 10:43:41 GMT -5
So what's the deal with Malmberg? Seems like it's all hinging on him. To be fair to Fred, the Amazon thing sounded great and if what we think happened actually did happen, it was kind of out of his control at that point. Make a deal with one person, get cut loose by the next. Arnold's project could be ok in the right hands, or it could be mangled horribly. The time seems right to get a new Conan project out (the sales on the Marvel omnibus shows there's a market out there...for at least 2200 people, but still...), but I think we all want it to be the right one. It looked like they were taking the right approach with the Amazon show compared to the 2011 film, but it didn't work out. They just need to keep that mindset. |
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Post by attilaman66 on Mar 7, 2019 9:07:38 GMT -5
I agree johnnypt. My fear is that Fred might give into all the possible pressure of an Arnold project. Arnold himself made a short video holding one of marvels new Conan comics talking about how he would like to do a movie and saying "lets do it". And I like to be honest with myself. I'm a big REH fan and would love to see his Conan in a movie or TV series, but Fred might take the "easy" route. I would think it's probably easier to pitch an Arnold Conan project then a REH Conan project. But who knows.
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Post by KiramidHead on Mar 7, 2019 21:02:09 GMT -5
I think it will all hinge on the box office performance of Terminator 6. I firmly believe that Terminator Sega Genesis bombing was behind Universal passing on Legend of Conan. Which admittedly wasn't a completely horrible thing, since the script wasn't quite up to snuff.
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