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Post by Von K on Apr 1, 2023 20:07:27 GMT -5
This video is well worth watching even though it's 1/2 hr long. Disparu does some excellent sleuthing here.
Another key reason why Hollywood execs keep making unpopular shows:
Hollywood Prefers DELUSION Over Accepting Failure
If anyone is interested but doesn't have time to watch the vid let me know and I'll provide a brief text summary.
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 2, 2023 7:05:47 GMT -5
This video is well worth watching even though it's 1/2 hr long. Disparu does some excellent sleuthing here. Another key reason why Hollywood execs keep making unpopular shows: Hollywood Prefers DELUSION Over Accepting FailureIf anyone is interested but doesn't have time to watch the vid let me know and I'll provide a brief text summary. Velma appears to be a perfect encapsulation of part of this. If you judge by the online sites, people do NOT like the show. But on the other hand it looks to be highly watched, so HBO convinces themselves it's ok to do another season. Now if that season crashes and burns, will reality smack them in the face? Disney/Marvel seems to have started to wake up a little bit strictly as far as viewership goes, content is still an open question. It will be interesting to see what changes Rings of Power ends up making. Going back to Velma, it may be a case where something was highly watched but people still had issues with what they were watching.
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Post by Von K on Apr 2, 2023 21:37:59 GMT -5
This video is well worth watching even though it's 1/2 hr long. Disparu does some excellent sleuthing here. Another key reason why Hollywood execs keep making unpopular shows: Hollywood Prefers DELUSION Over Accepting FailureIf anyone is interested but doesn't have time to watch the vid let me know and I'll provide a brief text summary. Velma appears to be a perfect encapsulation of part of this. If you judge by the online sites, people do NOT like the show. But on the other hand it looks to be highly watched, so HBO convinces themselves it's ok to do another season. Now if that season crashes and burns, will reality smack them in the face? Disney/Marvel seems to have started to wake up a little bit strictly as far as viewership goes, content is still an open question. It will be interesting to see what changes Rings of Power ends up making. Going back to Velma, it may be a case where something was highly watched but people still had issues with what they were watching. I never followed any of the media on Velma johnnypt, but I wonder if HBO were contractually obliged to do another season in spite of its unpopularity. They've apparently just cancelled all their other Scooby projects, even one already half completed. There's truth in your general points esp the one about Disney/Marvel beginning to wake up a little. Not sure if you had time to watch the full vid, I know you're a busy man. Just in case I'll provide a summary which can in no ways match the details in Disparu's presentation. # 1) Disparu has observed that many corporate media articles are claiming that shows with objectively very low viewing figures are in demand and popular. The sort of shows that are unpopular because they are all pushing one specific ideology - for want of a better word 'woke' - these articles claim are more 'in demand' and 'critically acclaimed' than ever. 2) Disparu noticed that these articles are all sourcing their data from a company called Parrot Analytics. www.parrotanalytics.com/3) Parrot Analytics is a company that harvests data from review sites, social media etc across the internet and interprets data in an ideologically skewed way. Under a principle that they call the attention economy they basically claim that all attention is good attention and all buzz is good buzz - never mind whether 90% of that was negative, or from people who will never buy the product. Thus the data they provide executives is intentionally stripped of context so they can say that woke stuff is 'popular.' 4) This serves three main purposes: a) It gives a false veneer of authenticity to articles written by those in the corporate media who are trying to push woke stuff as popular. These articles are then referred to and used as support to give a false veneer of authenticity to those who quote them. b) It allows companies like Amazon to make false claims of popularity for failed 'woke' projects like Wheel of Time so that they can use it to persuade investors to come on board (or at least not to jump ship just yet). c) It provides a false picture to creators and top media company executives and decision makers who use their services to gauge the popularity of their stuff. They come away convinced that unpopular woke failures are successes and create more stuff that will also fail. The above kind of stuff is just one of a number of reasons why Hollywood seemed in denial for so long. They weren't all in denial - some of them were being kept in the dark, egregiously lied to and deceived by ideologically biased spin being put on data by organisations like Parrot Analytics. Like Disparu said - lies, damned lies, and statistics. # But the parrot has finally come home to roost for these companies. All the corporate spin can no longer hide that even big corporations like Disney are in trouble. Victoria Alonso has been fired. 7000 employees are being culled. The once awesome MCU under Disney is tanking big time. The once awesome Star Wars under Disney owned Lucasfilm is less popular than ever. The once awesome Pixar under Disney have done the worst ever in their history. If a rising tide lifts all boats does conversely a sinking titanic drag them all down with it, or at least those that are too close (in ideology)?
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Post by Erik on Apr 3, 2023 19:53:40 GMT -5
This fun little exchange was on last week's episode of Young Sheldon. His sister ran away, but thankfully Sheldon had a map and a plan hehe:
Sheldon: "Right, well, based on the time they've been gone and the average speed limit, I've calculated that this circle is the maximum distance they could have traveled. And what are the pins? I'm glad you asked. To help narrow down the search, I've identified points of interest to teenage girls. The big four... Malls, beauty salons, horse stables and roller rinks. And what are the blue pins? Those are places that I'm interested in that we can swing by after we find them. For example, Peaster, Texas..."
Sheldon's family: "No one cares."
Sheldon: "Peaster, Texas... Birthplace of Robert E. Howard, regarded to be the father of the sword and sorcery subgenre."
Sheldon's dad: "Sheldon, this isn't about you."
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 3, 2023 20:42:20 GMT -5
I picture Sheldon as solidly in the Kull camp.
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Post by Erik on Apr 3, 2023 20:52:45 GMT -5
I picture Sheldon as solidly in the Kull camp. Because he came first and was created before Conan?
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 4, 2023 5:39:39 GMT -5
I picture Sheldon as solidly in the Kull camp. Because he came first and was created before Conan? Conan seems a bit too boorish for Sheldon, Howard is definitely a Conan guy! 😊
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Post by johnnypt on Apr 4, 2023 7:17:13 GMT -5
Velma appears to be a perfect encapsulation of part of this. If you judge by the online sites, people do NOT like the show. But on the other hand it looks to be highly watched, so HBO convinces themselves it's ok to do another season. Now if that season crashes and burns, will reality smack them in the face? Disney/Marvel seems to have started to wake up a little bit strictly as far as viewership goes, content is still an open question. It will be interesting to see what changes Rings of Power ends up making. Going back to Velma, it may be a case where something was highly watched but people still had issues with what they were watching. I never followed any of the media on Velma johnnypt, but I wonder if HBO were contractually obliged to do another season in spite of its unpopularity. They've apparently just cancelled all their other Scooby projects, even one already half completed. There's truth in your general points esp the one about Disney/Marvel beginning to wake up a little. Not sure if you had time to watch the full vid, I know you're a busy man. Just in case I'll provide a summary which can in no ways match the details in Disparu's presentation. # 1) Disparu has observed that many corporate media articles are claiming that shows with objectively very low viewing figures are in demand and popular. The sort of shows that are unpopular because they are all pushing one specific ideology - for want of a better word 'woke' - these articles claim are more 'in demand' and 'critically acclaimed' than ever. 2) Disparu noticed that these articles are all sourcing their data from a company called Parrot Analytics. www.parrotanalytics.com/3) Parrot Analytics is a company that harvests data from review sites, social media etc across the internet and interprets data in an ideologically skewed way. Under a principle that they call the attention economy they basically claim that all attention is good attention and all buzz is good buzz - never mind whether 90% of that was negative, or from people who will never buy the product. Thus the data they provide executives is intentionally stripped of context so they can say that woke stuff is 'popular.' 4) This serves three main purposes: a) It gives a false veneer of authenticity to articles written by those in the corporate media who are trying to push woke stuff as popular. These articles are then referred to and used as support to give a false veneer of authenticity to those who quote them. b) It allows companies like Amazon to make false claims of popularity for failed 'woke' projects like Wheel of Time so that they can use it to persuade investors to come on board (or at least not to jump ship just yet). c) It provides a false picture to creators and top media company executives and decision makers who use their services to gauge the popularity of their stuff. They come away convinced that unpopular woke failures are successes and create more stuff that will also fail. The above kind of stuff is just one of a number of reasons why Hollywood seemed in denial for so long. They weren't all in denial - some of them were being kept in the dark, egregiously lied to and deceived by ideologically biased spin being put on data by organisations like Parrot Analytics. Like Disparu said - lies, damned lies, and statistics. # But the parrot has finally come home to roost for these companies. All the corporate spin can no longer hide that even big corporations like Disney are in trouble. Victoria Alonso has been fired. 7000 employees are being culled. The once awesome MCU under Disney is tanking big time. The once awesome Star Wars under Disney owned Lucasfilm is less popular than ever. The once awesome Pixar under Disney have done the worst ever in their history. If a rising tide lifts all boats does conversely a sinking titanic drag them all down with it, or at least those that are too close (in ideology)? And right on cue, Jen gives us Exhibit A www.cbr.com/amazon-lotr-rings-of-power-hit-despite-poor-audience-retention/and Bob gives us Exhibit B www.cbr.com/bob-iger-disney-ron-desantis-anti-florida/They just don't know when they're behind. I notice David over at WD doesn't seem to get involved in this kind of stuff, he's focused on making sure his business remains solid. Not that they don't have their share of it (i.e. Velma), but he's not the one making the arguments. I may not 100% agree with the tactics (I still think the HBO Max purge may have gone a little too far without a price adjustment), but they're centered on business, not other things.
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Post by Erik on Apr 4, 2023 11:23:07 GMT -5
Because he came first and was created before Conan? Conan seems a bit too boorish for Sheldon, Howard is definitely a Conan guy! 😊 Haha yeah. Well, you're definitely right about Howard!
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Post by Von K on Apr 5, 2023 20:59:25 GMT -5
I never followed any of the media on Velma johnnypt, but I wonder if HBO were contractually obliged to do another season in spite of its unpopularity. They've apparently just cancelled all their other Scooby projects, even one already half completed. There's truth in your general points esp the one about Disney/Marvel beginning to wake up a little. And right on cue, Jen gives us Exhibit A www.cbr.com/amazon-lotr-rings-of-power-hit-despite-poor-audience-retention/and Bob gives us Exhibit B www.cbr.com/bob-iger-disney-ron-desantis-anti-florida/They just don't know when they're behind. I notice David over at WD doesn't seem to get involved in this kind of stuff, he's focused on making sure his business remains solid. Not that they don't have their share of it (i.e. Velma), but he's not the one making the arguments. I may not 100% agree with the tactics (I still think the HBO Max purge may have gone a little too far without a price adjustment), but they're centered on business, not other things. Thanks johnnypt, classic example. That top CBR article you posted also links to the THR one that I posted in the LotR thread. From what I've been reading Amazon Studios have been spending money hand over fist operating a blank cheque policy and paying large sums to get certain 'names' on board and associated with their brand. Complete contrast to David Zaslav's approach. Edit - I've been trawling through so much media and commentary lately that it's frying my brain.
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Post by Von K on Apr 5, 2023 21:06:25 GMT -5
This fun little exchange was on last week's episode of Young Sheldon. His sister ran away, but thankfully Sheldon had a map and a plan hehe: Sheldon: "Right, well, based on the time they've been gone and the average speed limit, I've calculated that this circle is the maximum distance they could have traveled. And what are the pins? I'm glad you asked. To help narrow down the search, I've identified points of interest to teenage girls. The big four... Malls, beauty salons, horse stables and roller rinks. And what are the blue pins? Those are places that I'm interested in that we can swing by after we find them. For example, Peaster, Texas..." Sheldon's family: " No one cares." Sheldon: " Peaster, Texas... Birthplace of Robert E. Howard, regarded to be the father of the sword and sorcery subgenre." Sheldon's dad: "Sheldon, this isn't about you." Sheldon cares - man of taste. This would be great to put in the REH media mentions thread.
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Post by bonesaw on Apr 6, 2023 6:08:11 GMT -5
Chic on the right's face is what I look like when I am on the toilet every morning about 9am, then it turns to the chic on the left's face.
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Post by Erik on Apr 7, 2023 11:35:07 GMT -5
This fun little exchange was on last week's episode of Young Sheldon. His sister ran away, but thankfully Sheldon had a map and a plan hehe: Sheldon: "Right, well, based on the time they've been gone and the average speed limit, I've calculated that this circle is the maximum distance they could have traveled. And what are the pins? I'm glad you asked. To help narrow down the search, I've identified points of interest to teenage girls. The big four... Malls, beauty salons, horse stables and roller rinks. And what are the blue pins? Those are places that I'm interested in that we can swing by after we find them. For example, Peaster, Texas..." Sheldon's family: " No one cares." Sheldon: " Peaster, Texas... Birthplace of Robert E. Howard, regarded to be the father of the sword and sorcery subgenre." Sheldon's dad: "Sheldon, this isn't about you." Sheldon cares - man of taste. This would be great to put in the REH media mentions thread. Indeed! Do you know where that thread is located? I don't recall it, or I'm not sure which one you're referring to.
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Post by Von K on Apr 7, 2023 18:28:34 GMT -5
Sheldon cares - man of taste. This would be great to put in the REH media mentions thread. Indeed! Do you know where that thread is located? I don't recall it, or I'm not sure which one you're referring to. My bad Erik - I checked the REH section of the forum but couldn't find it either. Guess it's one of the few threads from the old CPI forum that we didn't recreate here after the transition. There definitely used to be one.
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Post by Erik on Apr 8, 2023 10:31:59 GMT -5
Indeed! Do you know where that thread is located? I don't recall it, or I'm not sure which one you're referring to. My bad Erik - I checked the REH section of the forum but couldn't find it either. Guess it's one of the few threads from the old CPI forum that we didn't recreate here after the transition. There definitely used to be one. Yeah, I agree, we should have a topic for this in that section. Good idea! I think you're right, though - There used to be a thread on the old forum. I'll go ahead and start one now and just re-post the Young Sheldon bit.
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