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Post by kemp on Nov 14, 2023 18:32:18 GMT -5
Uninspired project after uninspired project indeed.
Not sure if it's the worst movie ever made, but why would any studio with a massive budget blow it on making such a monstrosity is again beyond me. Even the director of the movie Nia Dacosta called it shit. Perhaps the Disney execs have frustrated creativity on purpose. Woke lecturing by the pampered elite seems to be all the rage now.
Why is western culture so obsessed these days by representation and race, seems when they go out of their way to 'represent' everyone, that it simply means that they are thinking about racial and gender profiles 24/7 as opposed to good stories with characters that we can get support, irrespective of race. It's like they have some sort of sickness of the mind. When the fans reject it, instead of listening to the audience, improving, the producers and actors would rather call the fans racists and misogynists. Incredibly unprofessional and immature on their part, but there it is. The result is shit like The Marvels.
I enjoyed some of the DC and MCU movies up until 2020, but things have really deteriorated now.
But what do I know, I'm just a caveman from the 20th century, maybe destroying legacies and studios is the new mod thing and I just haven't caught onto the craze yet, watching the death of an industry in real slomo time.
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 15, 2023 6:27:15 GMT -5
Oddly enough the two post credits scenes sound way more interesting than the film itself.
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Post by crimsonblade on Nov 16, 2023 0:55:37 GMT -5
The post credit scenes were good. The movie itself was poor. I fell asleep during the beginning of the last act and woke up when it was almost over.
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Post by hun on Nov 17, 2023 12:26:31 GMT -5
The Marvels Pitch Meeting
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Post by darthgall on Nov 21, 2023 9:08:20 GMT -5
Went and saw the Marvels over the weekend with my kids to kick off fall break, and I gotta say I do not understand all the hate. It's a light, quick comic book movie for sure, and that has the flaws you'd expect (some plot holes, villain is thinly drawn like many other comic movies, etc.), but overall I found it light, fun and quickly paced. The body switching thing was well used in some cool fight scenes; added a new dynamic to the normal brawls you see in these flicks.
I personally found it better than most other recent Marvel offerings (Thor Love & Thunder's humor was too weird to land, although it had a good villain; Wakanda Forever and Quantumania were just boring across the board; Multiverse of Madness was OK when the horror parts peaked through but otherwise boring). Kamala Khan stole the show in pretty much every scene she was in & Samuel L. Jackson proved he's still got comedic chops. My wife and I joked that some scenes, the acting didn't reach Brie Larso's eyes, but she was fine. Monica Rambeau doesn't add much, but there's nothing wrong with the character either.
Personally I think Marvel probably just should've switched to all streaming series after the Thanos-Endgame movies, but if they put out some decent popcorn flicks like this, I'm down.
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 21, 2023 10:32:27 GMT -5
Went and saw the Marvels over the weekend with my kids to kick off fall break, and I gotta say I do not understand all the hate. It's a light, quick comic book movie for sure, and that has the flaws you'd expect (some plot holes, villain is thinly drawn like many other comic movies, etc.), but overall I found it light, fun and quickly paced. The body switching thing was well used in some cool fight scenes; added a new dynamic to the normal brawls you see in these flicks. I personally found it better than most other recent Marvel offerings (Thor Love & Thunder's humor was too weird to land, although it had a good villain; Wakanda Forever and Quantumania were just boring across the board; Multiverse of Madness was OK when the horror parts peaked through but otherwise boring). Kamala Khan stole the show in pretty much every scene she was in & Samuel L. Jackson proved he's still got comedic chops. My wife and I joked that some scenes, the acting didn't reach Brie Larso's eyes, but she was fine. Monica Rambeau doesn't add much, but there's nothing wrong with the character either. Personally I think Marvel probably just should've switched to all streaming series after the Thanos-Endgame movies, but if they put out some decent popcorn flicks like this, I'm down. The problem is spending $250 million on a light fun movie, putting them in the position where it had to make $1 billion to break even. This probably should’ve been Ms Marvel Season 2 but they were still in their old thinking when they set this up. Was this whole…what’shername with the hammer plot from a comic? Doesn’t seem like a compelling story. Then again some of the other recent films had good stories and poor execution.
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Post by Erik on Nov 22, 2023 10:40:33 GMT -5
If you're talking about Jane Foster in the Thor comic, it was actually a good storyline (with fantastic art). Thor doesn't even know who she is, at first (nor do we), as her identity is hidden. He later finds that she's actually Jane Foster, who in the comics is dying of cancer, and Mjolnir has deemed her worthy of using it (Thor had lost the ability to use Mjolnir).
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 22, 2023 13:49:42 GMT -5
If you're talking about Jane Foster in the Thor comic, it was actually a good storyline (with fantastic art). Thor doesn't even know who she is, at first (nor do we), as her identity is hidden. He later finds that she's actually Jane Foster, who in the comics is dying of cancer, and Mjolnir has deemed her worthy of using it (Thor had lost the ability to use Mjolnir). That one I know, I was wondering about the plot in the latest film. The chick in this film has a hammer like Ronan. My son said he thinks it was.
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Post by Erik on Nov 23, 2023 9:55:33 GMT -5
If you're talking about Jane Foster in the Thor comic, it was actually a good storyline (with fantastic art). Thor doesn't even know who she is, at first (nor do we), as her identity is hidden. He later finds that she's actually Jane Foster, who in the comics is dying of cancer, and Mjolnir has deemed her worthy of using it (Thor had lost the ability to use Mjolnir). That one I know, I was wondering about the plot in the latest film. The chick in this film has a hammer like Ronan. My son said he thinks it was. Ah! I had to look that one up, as I wasn't sure who you were talking about. Seems to be a character named Dar-Benn, who was a male Kree general in the Silver Surfer comics. Apparently, things were changed for the film heh. I think your son's right about Ronan, though, as it's stated that Dar-Benn wields an Accuser's hammer. I was not at all impressed with Thor: Love and Thunder, so I'm hoping this one is better than that, at least.
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Post by kemp on Nov 23, 2023 18:28:42 GMT -5
There are so many good comic book stories to choose from, especially prior to 2000, the universe/multiverse shaking themes are fine, but recently overdone, another sign of lazy and disjointed story telling. Too many unsympathetic protagonists, bad CG effects, and with actors that call the fan base "toxic" or that they shouldn't watch the movie, and no wonder The Marvels had the lowest opening weekend and flopped at the box office. People want to go to the movies to be entertained, not have Wokeism preached to them. These days it's too much about narrative over story....and over profit.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 11, 2024 17:25:46 GMT -5
Just watched the Marvels. It's not a 'bad' movie per se. The strongest part about it is the acting, the three Marvels have great chenistry with each other and with Jackson. Kamal's family is good too, the TV show helped gel them into a family dynamic. BUT...I stand by my idea about this should've been either Ms. Marvel Season 2 or a limited Disney+ series at the least. They made a seuqel to Captain Marvel AND Wandavision AND Ms. Marvel and in the end couldn't keep track of the pieces. They had a great concept: the Marvels switching places. Then they didn't know what to do with it, or solid rules on how this works. At points I kept hearing the Ryan George producer-writer duo:
ProducerL: So why did the powers not work then but work now?
Writer: Because I need them make the script work out.
Producer: Fair enough!
Add in a lot of points are underdeveloped or not given enough room to grow (the Carol-Monica dynamic needed a proper start to get to where it was when the film started). The whole singing planet and Flerken sequences just didn't work. Add on top a not that compelling villain that may actually be doing 'bad' things for something resembling a good reason. There's not enough for a 'movie' here, let alone spending $270 million on it.
So not a film I vehemently hated (or even reallu disliked), it's not worth expending that much energy on. But worth a watch as a lesson in problems with modern filmmaking. Seeing where a good film might have been getting lost in all sorts of other stuff. Now we havd our all girl team battle the female bad guy, are we happy now:? Can we concentrate on actual stories again?
And yeah, the post credits scenes are way more consequential than anything in the movie itself (technically one pre-end credits).
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Post by kemp on Feb 11, 2024 19:16:10 GMT -5
If Marvel paid me to watch it I might give it a run.
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Post by johnnypt on Feb 11, 2024 20:50:29 GMT -5
If Marvel paid me to watch it I might give it a run. Another plus is it was really short, barely over an hour and a half (if you tunr it off after the mid credit scene like I did). Bad for the film because it was TOO short, but good for a viewer who has to go and do something else. <style type="text/css"> #myJAS div , #myJAS p, #myJAS input, #myJAS input[type], #myJAS span, #myJAS a, #myJAS button, #myJAS button[type] { margin:0; font-family:"TT Hoves", "Roboto", sans-serif !important; box-shadow:none; outline:none; box-sizing:border-box; } </style>
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Post by kemp on Feb 12, 2024 0:30:41 GMT -5
If Marvel paid me to watch it I might give it a run. Another plus is it was really short, barely over an hour and a half (if you tunr it off after the mid credit scene like I did). Bad for the film because it was TOO short, but good for a viewer who has to go and do something else. <style type="text/css"> #myJAS div , #myJAS p, #myJAS input, #myJAS input[type], #myJAS span, #myJAS a, #myJAS button, #myJAS button[type] { margin:0; font-family:"TT Hoves", "Roboto", sans-serif !important; box-shadow:none; outline:none; box-sizing:border-box; } </style> Barely over an hour and a half is a benefit, throw in a few beers, watch it in increments, and it would be a bearable experience
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Post by terryallenuk on Feb 12, 2024 2:08:05 GMT -5
Just watched the Marvels. It's not a 'bad' movie per se. The strongest part about it is the acting, the three Marvels have great chenistry with each other and with Jackson. Kamal's family is good too, the TV show helped gel them into a family dynamic. BUT...I stand by my idea about this should've been either Ms. Marvel Season 2 or a limited Disney+ series at the least. They made a seuqel to Captain Marvel AND Wandavision AND Ms. Marvel and in the end couldn't keep track of the pieces. They had a great concept: the Marvels switching places. Then they didn't know what to do with it, or solid rules on how this works. At points I kept hearing the Ryan George producer-writer duo: ProducerL: So why did the powers not work then but work now? Writer: Because I need them make the script work out. Producer: Fair enough! Add in a lot of points are underdeveloped or not given enough room to grow (the Carol-Monica dynamic needed a proper start to get to where it was when the film started). The whole singing planet and Flerken sequences just didn't work. Add on top a not that compelling villain that may actually be doing 'bad' things for something resembling a good reason. There's not enough for a 'movie' here, let alone spending $270 million on it. So not a film I vehemently hated (or even reallu disliked), it's not worth expending that much energy on. But worth a watch as a lesson in problems with modern filmmaking. Seeing where a good film might have been getting lost in all sorts of other stuff. Now we havd our all girl team battle the female bad guy, are we happy now:? Can we concentrate on actual stories again? And yeah, the post credits scenes are way more consequential than anything in the movie itself (technically one pre-end credits). I agree , enjoyed it for what it was. Couldn't be bothered seeing it at the cinema but fine for a Disney + show which it should have been. Iman Vellani really was great again , along with the family , and she and the other two interacted well. Nice to see that after credit scene.
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