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Post by johnnypt on Jun 15, 2022 8:46:21 GMT -5
OK after watching the last Obi Wan episode, I have to update the Reva reaction. The writing is ok, it is the acting and...yes, I'm going to say it, the fact it's a woman. I heard the same lines in my head with a random British actor voice in my head, delivered in a more low key fashion and it worked ok. They had the revelation about her this week that I don't think surprised anyone. I'm not even going to lay it at the feet of the actress but the director. When I was in directing school at NYU, God, 20 years ago already (!), when you work with actors, you don't tell them "I need the line delivered like THIS," unless you're Steven or Marty or Ridley, someone like that. What you say is "OK, good, let's try it one more time, let's try it this way..." and lead the actor towards the performance. Ewan MacGregor is able to do this easily but he's been acting a long time plus knows the character. It doesn't help the actress deliver the character by letting her go to 11 every scene. Plus in this case, I just think the stodgy old betrayed guy would work better in this case. When you force a character into being something it doesn't need to be, you sometimes get this. I felt the same thing with Foundation, apart from Hari and Cleon, where ARE the men?
Enjoying the show overall, even though it's not "needed" per se.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jun 16, 2022 1:02:59 GMT -5
Only one episode left, so hopefully they wrap this up without screwing up the original trilogy. Ewan is carrying this. I did enjoy the Obi-Wan and Anakin flashback, though.
I hope the rumors about future plans for Reva are just that, rumors. They wouldn't be crazy enough to really give this character her own series would they?
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Post by darthgall on Jun 16, 2022 15:13:00 GMT -5
OK after watching the last Obi Wan episode, I have to update the Reva reaction. The writing is ok, it is the acting and...yes, I'm going to say it, the fact it's a woman. I heard the same lines in my head with a random British actor voice in my head, delivered in a more low key fashion and it worked ok. They had the revelation about her this week that I don't think surprised anyone. I'm not even going to lay it at the feet of the actress but the director. When I was in directing school at NYU, God, 20 years ago already (!), when you work with actors, you don't tell them "I need the line delivered like THIS," unless you're Steven or Marty or Ridley, someone like that. What you say is "OK, good, let's try it one more time, let's try it this way..." and lead the actor towards the performance. Ewan MacGregor is able to do this easily but he's been acting a long time plus knows the character. It doesn't help the actress deliver the character by letting her go to 11 every scene. Plus in this case, I just think the stodgy old betrayed guy would work better in this case. When you force a character into being something it doesn't need to be, you sometimes get this. I felt the same thing with Foundation, apart from Hari and Cleon, where ARE the men? Enjoying the show overall, even though it's not "needed" per se. Also enjoying it. Last night's episode, I felt like the plot holes were kind of glaring... don't think Darth Vader would order the mission and just send 2X ships... "overwhelming force" is kind of his thing. And they would've just... NOT GUARDED THE BAY DOORS despite them being locked closed? Doubtful... There was something off about when you had platoons of stormtroopers concentrating all their fire on a narrow opening and Obi-Wan fending them off that was just weird to me. While I liked the big duel at the end, in the way that you could tell one character didn't have to work very hard b/c they're so powerful, I'm skeptical of them just leaving a defeated foe behind... I see what you mean about going to 11; I think Reva's done better with dialogue as its progressed. But towards the end, I kept waiting for her to deliver a line about having "been here before" that would've been cool. Missed opportunity. Show not needed, agreed. Interesting but not essential. BUT, it gets points from me in that it's NOT messing up Darth Vader's character; he's staying in character pretty admirably I think.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 16, 2022 15:36:45 GMT -5
OK after watching the last Obi Wan episode, I have to update the Reva reaction. The writing is ok, it is the acting and...yes, I'm going to say it, the fact it's a woman. I heard the same lines in my head with a random British actor voice in my head, delivered in a more low key fashion and it worked ok. They had the revelation about her this week that I don't think surprised anyone. I'm not even going to lay it at the feet of the actress but the director. When I was in directing school at NYU, God, 20 years ago already (!), when you work with actors, you don't tell them "I need the line delivered like THIS," unless you're Steven or Marty or Ridley, someone like that. What you say is "OK, good, let's try it one more time, let's try it this way..." and lead the actor towards the performance. Ewan MacGregor is able to do this easily but he's been acting a long time plus knows the character. It doesn't help the actress deliver the character by letting her go to 11 every scene. Plus in this case, I just think the stodgy old betrayed guy would work better in this case. When you force a character into being something it doesn't need to be, you sometimes get this. I felt the same thing with Foundation, apart from Hari and Cleon, where ARE the men? Enjoying the show overall, even though it's not "needed" per se. Also enjoying it. Last night's episode, I felt like the plot holes were kind of glaring... don't think Darth Vader would order the mission and just send 2X ships... "overwhelming force" is kind of his thing. And they would've just... NOT GUARDED THE BAY DOORS despite them being locked closed? Doubtful... There was something off about when you had platoons of stormtroopers concentrating all their fire on a narrow opening and Obi-Wan fending them off that was just weird to me. While I liked the big duel at the end, in the way that you could tell one character didn't have to work very hard b/c they're so powerful, I'm skeptical of them just leaving a defeated foe behind... I see what you mean about going to 11; I think Reva's done better with dialogue as its progressed. But towards the end, I kept waiting for her to deliver a line about having "been here before" that would've been cool. Missed opportunity. Show not needed, agreed. Interesting but not essential. BUT, it gets points from me in that it's NOT messing up Darth Vader's character; he's staying in character pretty admirably I think. Hayden's done very well here, and for those who haven't seen it, we do see him as Anakin as well as Vader, so James Earl Jones doesn't get all the fun
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jun 16, 2022 21:53:35 GMT -5
The Obi-Wan and Anakin flashback has been the highlight of the series so far.
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Post by bonesaw on Jun 21, 2022 12:04:47 GMT -5
Hey guys,
I heard somewhere that they actually didn't bring in James E Jones to voice Vader this time, but rather used some high-tech computer AI to extrapolate his previous recordings into new dialogue. Just curious top those that are watching the show if you could tell a difference or not.
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Post by terryallenuk on Jun 21, 2022 13:13:55 GMT -5
Hey guys, I heard somewhere that they actually didn't bring in James E Jones to voice Vader this time, but rather used some high-tech computer AI to extrapolate his previous recordings into new dialogue. Just curious top those that are watching the show if you could tell a difference or not. It his him doing the voice work , he's mentioned in the credits.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 21, 2022 13:51:29 GMT -5
Hey guys, I heard somewhere that they actually didn't bring in James E Jones to voice Vader this time, but rather used some high-tech computer AI to extrapolate his previous recordings into new dialogue. Just curious top those that are watching the show if you could tell a difference or not. It his him doing the voice work , he's mentioned in the credits. And you can hear it's JEJ as he is today, there's a slight difference in timbre due to the fact the guy's 90 or so. But he's still delivering the goods.
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Post by bonesaw on Jun 21, 2022 13:55:58 GMT -5
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 21, 2022 20:21:22 GMT -5
They really needed that when Clint Eastwood and Eli Wallach dubbed the additional scenes for the restoration of The Good the Bad and the Ugly. In the ‘new’ scenes Eastwood had his Million Dollar Baby voice and Tuco sounded like the old Jewish guy at the deli :-)
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Post by bonesaw on Jun 22, 2022 6:09:07 GMT -5
Watched The GBU as a kid dozens of times and used to rent the double VHS all the time. Later on I got the DVD with extended features and saw the scene with Tuco and couldn't get through it because he sounded so different. I don't remember hearing a new scene with Eastwood though. What was it about?
Also, I had to do a little research on Star Wars toys because I wanted to get my kid a Rancor from RotJ, and man, they ain't cheap! Here I was thinking that there had to be a current line of toys out there that might include some stuff from the original trilogy.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 22, 2022 6:38:20 GMT -5
Watched The GBU as a kid dozens of times and used to rent the double VHS all the time. Later on I got the DVD with extended features and saw the scene with Tuco and couldn't get through it because he sounded so different. I don't remember hearing a new scene with Eastwood though. What was it about? Also, I had to do a little research on Star Wars toys because I wanted to get my kid a Rancor from RotJ, and man, they ain't cheap! Here I was thinking that there had to be a current line of toys out there that might include some stuff from the original trilogy. Eastwood's two main added scenes are relatively short: when disguised as Confederate soldiers, before getting captured he comments on the dead soldiers on the side of the road. Then after joining up with Angel Eyes and shooting one of his henchmen, he notes how many bullets he has in his gun (precursor to Dirty Harry right there!) But he has his Gunny Hightower voice. It was weird because right after the restoration came out, he was on with Bill O'Reilly and he sounded normal. The grotto scene is really offputting since Eli couldn't get back into his Mexican voice at that point in his life. In these cases, I'd wholeheartedly support a little digital enhancement. Surprisingly the guy who did Lee Van Cleef's voice got it pretty close.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 7:04:19 GMT -5
Watched The GBU as a kid dozens of times and used to rent the double VHS all the time. Later on I got the DVD with extended features and saw the scene with Tuco and couldn't get through it because he sounded so different. I don't remember hearing a new scene with Eastwood though. What was it about? Also, I had to do a little research on Star Wars toys because I wanted to get my kid a Rancor from RotJ, and man, they ain't cheap! Here I was thinking that there had to be a current line of toys out there that might include some stuff from the original trilogy. Eastwood's two main added scenes are relatively short: when disguised as Confederate soldiers, before getting captured he comments on the dead soldiers on the side of the road. Then after joining up with Angel Eyes and shooting one of his henchmen, he notes how many bullets he has in his gun (precursor to Dirty Harry right there!) But he has his Gunny Hightower voice. It was weird because right after the restoration came out, he was on with Bill O'Reilly and he sounded normal. The grotto scene is really offputting since Eli couldn't get back into his Mexican voice at that point in his life. In these cases, I'd wholeheartedly support a little digital enhancement. Surprisingly the guy who did Lee Van Cleef's voice got it pretty close. Was that the scene that kinda tied the movie to Fistful of Dollars with Ramon's men? * I just checked the scene on YouTube there's nothing like that. Gotta lay off the whiskey.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 22, 2022 9:47:10 GMT -5
Eastwood's two main added scenes are relatively short: when disguised as Confederate soldiers, before getting captured he comments on the dead soldiers on the side of the road. Then after joining up with Angel Eyes and shooting one of his henchmen, he notes how many bullets he has in his gun (precursor to Dirty Harry right there!) But he has his Gunny Hightower voice. It was weird because right after the restoration came out, he was on with Bill O'Reilly and he sounded normal. The grotto scene is really offputting since Eli couldn't get back into his Mexican voice at that point in his life. In these cases, I'd wholeheartedly support a little digital enhancement. Surprisingly the guy who did Lee Van Cleef's voice got it pretty close. Was that the scene that kinda tied the movie to Fistful of Dollars with Ramon's men? * I just checked the scene on YouTube there's nothing like that. Gotta lay off the whiskey. No barrels involved It introduces the guys who Clint ended up blowing away as the cannons were going off at the hotel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 10:08:19 GMT -5
Was that the scene that kinda tied the movie to Fistful of Dollars with Ramon's men? * I just checked the scene on YouTube there's nothing like that. Gotta lay off the whiskey. No barrels involved It introduces the guys who Clint ended up blowing away as the cannons were going off at the hotel. I dunno why, but I remember those guys mentioning the death of Ramon to Tuco and they go to avenge him at the hotel!!??!
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