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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 14:52:46 GMT -5
Mongolian Music: Torgon Hul by Turmandah
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Post by deuce on May 20, 2016 22:52:28 GMT -5
Mongolian Music: Torgon Hul by Turmandah Cool! I've listened to "world music" for decades. Early on, I listened to a lot of "Arabic" (though I believe that music actually originated outside of Arabia, possibly North Africa) and North Indian music. Other than that, mostly "European traditional folk" (especially "Celtic"). You've really opened my eyes to "steppe music". I knew about some of it, but I wasn't aware of the massive output. The many parallels with Celtic music are striking. Despite the work of musicologists talking about the links between "Indic" and "Celtic" music (which would make sense), I hear just as much similarity with the songs of the steppes. Perhaps there could be a joint folk festival in Galway (or Ulaanbaatar) to promote cross-pollination.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 15:20:54 GMT -5
Cool! I've listened to "world music" for decades. Early on, I listened to a lot of "Arabic" (though I believe that music actually originated outside of Arabia, possibly North Africa) and North Indian music. Other than that, mostly "European traditional folk" (especially "Celtic"). You've really opened my eyes to "steppe music". I knew about some of it, but I wasn't aware of the massive output. The many parallels with Celtic music are striking. Despite the work of musicologists talking about the links between "Indic" and "Celtic" music (which would make sense), I hear just as much similarity with the songs of the steppes. Perhaps there could be a joint folk festival in Galway (or Ulaanbaatar) to promote cross-pollination. Wow! Thanks Deuce. A joint Celtic/Eurasian nomad folk festival would be great. I'd be there as swift as a Hunnic arrow
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 2:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 2:10:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 2:13:47 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on May 23, 2016 9:56:33 GMT -5
That guy officially kicks ass.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 2:11:35 GMT -5
The KalmyksThe Mongolian Kalmyks live in the Republic of Kalmykia, Russia, north-west of the Vilayet, sorry I mean Caspian Sea. here's a map from wikipedia showing the various linguistic/ethnic groups of the Caucasus. wikipedia link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmyk_Oirat
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 2:46:19 GMT -5
Kalmyk Folk Song: Eejin Duun
This video is also adorned with art of Ganbat Badamkhand.
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Post by deuce on May 27, 2016 12:30:32 GMT -5
The Yuezhi: Indo-European neighbours of the Xiongnu (Huns)
We all know about The Yuetshi (Yuezhi) fisherman from 'The Devil in Iron' - but, what about the historical Yuezhi? The historical Yuezhi were the South-Western neighbours of the Xiongnu. To the east of the Xiongnu roamed the Donghu (Eastern Barbarians) Hu was a general term the Chinese used for barbarians. map from wikipedia. The Unusual thing about the Yuezhi is that they probably spoke a Tocharian language, which is believed to be closer to the western Indo-European languages. The king of the Xiongnu, Modu Chanyu (reigned 209BC-174BC) defeated the Yuezhi - the job was finished off by Modu's son, he made a made a drinking cup out of the skull of the Yuezhi king. This set in motion the great migration of the Yuezhi into the heart of Central Asia. The rise of Xiongnu power, was probably the beginning of the expansion of the Altaic languages beyond Mongolia, Manchuria, Northern China and Siberia. A book I'm keen on picking up one day. The Yuezhi. Origin, Migration and the Conquest of Northern Bactria by C. Benjamin This book provides a detailed narrative history of the dynasty and confederation of the Yuezhi, whose migration from western China to the northern border of present-day Afghanistan resulted ultimately in the creation of the Kushan Empire. Although the Yuezhi have long been recognised as the probable ancestors of the Kushans, they have generally only been considered as a prelude to the principal subject of Kushan history, rather than as a significant and influential people in their own right. The evidence seemed limited and ambiguous, but is actually surprisingly extensive and detailed and certainly sufficient to compile a comprehensive chronological political history of the Yuezhi during the first millennium BCE. The book analyses textual, numismatic and archaeological evidence in an attempt to explain the probable origin of the Yuezhi, their relationship with several Chinese dynasties, their eventual military defeat and expulsion from the Gansu by the Xiongnu, their migration through the Ili Valley, Ferghana and Sogdia to northern Bactria, and their role in the conquest of the former Greco-Bactria state. All of these events were bound up with broader cultural and political developments in ancient Central Asia and show the extraordinary interconnectedness of the Eurasian historical processes. The domino-effect of the migration of the Yuezhi led to significant changes in the broader Eurasian polity. Great report by JP Mallory, considered the dean of Indo-European studies, on Tokharian origins: sino-platonic.org/complete/spp259_tocharian_origins.pdfSakas, Yuezhi and Uighurs are mentioned numerous times.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 13:15:48 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on May 27, 2016 21:48:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I think it's pretty awesome that Indo-Europeans in the back-end of nowhere (after 3000yrs separation) still used words like "malk" (to milk) or "mit" (honey, as in mead). You can find almost the exact words in Gaelic Ireland today. IMO, I think the main problem is the assumption that all of the surrounding cultures were "Iranic". What if there were Tocharian cultures (say, Pazyryk) that had adopted much of the Iranic toolkit? Even with about 1000km between the early Afanievo culture and the closest Indo-European cultures to the west, contact appears to have been maintained. Indo-Europeans were the ones who invented true "mobility". I think we're selling the early steppe nomads short.
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Post by deuce on May 29, 2016 23:06:49 GMT -5
Hun, thanks to you, Ganbat has witnessed an explosion of interest on Facebook. Morgan Holmes, Jeff Shanks and others (after I told them about Ganbat) are all fans. I "friended" Ganbat a few days ago. A major talent. I wish there was some equivalent artist for "Celtic" art. Fitzpatrick is great in many ways, but the "power" isn't there. Ganbat is the "Frazetta" of Turco-Mongols.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 17:01:08 GMT -5
Hun, thanks to you, Ganbat has witnessed an explosion of interest on Facebook. Morgan Holmes, Jeff Shanks and others (after I told them about Ganbat) are all fans. I "friended" Ganbat a few days ago. A major talent. I wish there was some equivalent artist for "Celtic" art. Fitzpatrick is great in many ways, but the "power" isn't there. Ganbat is the "Frazetta" of Turco-Mongols. When I first came across the art of Ganbat Badamkhand years ago, I thought exactly the same thing, this artist is the Mongolian ' Frazetta.' Thanks for spreading the word concerning the great art of Ganbat.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 16:26:48 GMT -5
Some more info on Ganbat Badamkhand. It seems like Ganbat is/was a concept artist and worked on a medieval action role-playing game by the name of Mount and Blade, developed by the Turkish company TaleWorlds. The games are published by the Swedish company Paradox Interactive!!! www.taleworlds.com/
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