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Post by kemp on Apr 8, 2022 8:27:41 GMT -5
What Aaron should have done was say that he will create and direct his characters as he sees fit, whatever creatively works at the time, some will be strong male leads, there will be females that will be warriors, leaders and at times scantily glad buxom Witches from a host of different backgrounds, some will be white, others black, and some may look like native Americans, and if someone is offended that this Witch looks like a slutty version of Europe's Boudica or another one like some Pocahontas influence so be it, tough luck, and if you like that, great. That world is dead now. They say that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I have heard that the Florida governor has signed a 'Parents Rights in Education Bill' prohibiting classroom discussion of some of the sexual identity material to minors. I think Disney opposes the Florida bill, but they want to go woke full throttle by all the latest accounts. As bad as Marvel is these days I suppose it would be catastrophic if Disney nabbed some of the licencing for REH's Conan. |
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Post by kemp on Apr 8, 2022 8:31:28 GMT -5
NEW NEW NEW NEW RELEASE DATE: 4 MAY 2022  King Conan 4NEW NEW NEW NEW NEW RELEASE DATE: 11 MAY 2022I can hardly wait  |
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Post by karasuthecrow on Apr 8, 2022 12:18:36 GMT -5
I guess, it could be a temporary thing. I dunno if this recent tweet by Malmberg concerning an announcement about Conan comics means anything: Maybe they finally reach an agreement with other comic companies like Ablaze,,,just a stupid theory from my side but I would like to hear all of you about this tweet. |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Apr 8, 2022 15:19:04 GMT -5
I don't think it was ever disclosed how long Marvel received the license for. Usually these aren't public knowledge.
Marvel has been a bad fit for new REH comics, though. Savage Avengers is a fun 90s action book, but as far as Conan pastiche only Zubs run was quality, Roy Thomas' return for a few issues on SSOC was good, too, and a few others here and there. Aaron's 12 issue run was a horrible story, only saved by Asrar and Zaffino's art.
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Post by Monster on Apr 11, 2022 19:05:07 GMT -5
So tired of the right spewing and belching all of this political crap on here. You, on here, whine and complain about the left and you all sound no better. You, yourselves, are getting all bent out of shape over others doing the very same same. I fall in the gray, and see the black and the white in a lot of issues. I am all for scantily-clad women, violence and fantasy fun. But why does it have to be at the expense of others? You are okay with the sexualizing of a 12-year old girl?
Aaron obviously did not intend to do what he did, did not know the history of "Pocahontas" and the editing/covering of the body was far too extreme, but I see the point of the Native American argument.
I hope Conan material to be as savage as it can be, see no issue with having a race based on Native Americans or other cultures. With all of this "social justice" happening, it has nearly become a crime to be a middle-aged white guy and a lot of this social justice is simply too much, too soon, too fast, but there are certainly areas where we, as a the human species, could use some growth to move all of our selves forward.
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Post by arcadian on Apr 11, 2022 20:11:01 GMT -5
I am all for scantily-clad women, violence and fantasy fun. But why does it have to be at the expense of others? You are okay with the sexualizing of a 12-year old girl? Who is sexualizing a 12 year old girl? I reread the issue, there is no 12 year old girl. As these things tend to go, I doubt the loudest voices have read anything. |
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Post by Monster on Apr 11, 2022 21:02:25 GMT -5
I know that Aaron did none of this in the issue, specifically. It is the muddled, muddied origins of Pocahontas. She was quite young when a lot of things happened. She died around the age of 20. I know things were different then in terms of when marriage and such was accepted, but she lived a terrible life and was greatly mistreated. History in many ways tells us otherwise.
It really was an odd choice to use Matoaka. He admitted there was a connection. If he had just used any other name, we would not even be talking about this. I even think he honestly did not know the history of the name. As a creator of fictional content it as though one is supposed to know everything in the past. It is kind of ridiculous. If something is even close to what someone else has done, there are accusations of plagiarism (even if the creator had no knowledge). There is a vast history of happenings that not everyone can know everything, fictional or factual.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Apr 11, 2022 21:11:17 GMT -5
Monster, calm down. No one is sexualizing a 12 year old girl. Even in the comic she's clearly an adult and she's not the freaking historical Pocahontas. Aaron is just an idiot for using that name. All they had to do was change the name.
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Post by kemp on Apr 12, 2022 2:29:12 GMT -5
For shites sake, who gives a flying frak about some Indian princess from 400 years ago that most know by way of some Disney animation !?! The issue featured some scantily clad Hyborian age princess from the new world that some fools associated with a historical figure. Big deal.
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Post by kemp on Apr 12, 2022 2:47:56 GMT -5
That's what I liked about the twentieth century, no one made a big deal about adult women in next to nothing gear in the ol SSOC.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 3:23:59 GMT -5
The writer Kelly Lynne D'Angelo of the Haudenosaunee Indians tweeted about her disgust at the name of Matoaka in the King Conan comic. I can understand that some American Indians could find the name offensive - I dunno to what extent she really represents the views of American Indian people on twitter?
Aaron was right to apologise and even generous enough to donate to the 'National Indigenous Women's Resource Center.' Unfortunately, Marvel did not support Jason Aaron, at least not publicly, and abandoned him to those funny people on twitter that pretend that they know what it is like to be an American Indian.
Aaron should have just changed the name of the character to a more Aztec sounding name like the culture the character appears to be from and that shoulda been the end of it. The capitulation leading to the change in the art I cannot agree with - and I find it incredibly insulting to the artist Mahmud Asrar whose art I feel has really excelled on the Conan books.
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Post by kemp on Apr 12, 2022 5:53:12 GMT -5
Mahmud Asrar shouldn't have to change his art because of some invisible twitter mob out for attention. There are things that offend and disturb me. For instance, forcefully confining 26 million people to their homes in Shanghai, a city running out of food and with no end in sight to the barbaric restrictions, children taken from their parents for testing positive and placed in 'government care', residents screaming from their windows, what the communist Chinese government is doing goes against everything I believe in. This, some depiction, just art, of a scantily clad woman flanked by her apish minions does not disturb me in the slightest.  This generation is in desperate need of a reality check. |
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Post by kemp on Apr 12, 2022 6:00:42 GMT -5
How good is this for the variant cover art.  |
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Post by bonesaw on Apr 12, 2022 6:25:02 GMT -5
Picked up the floppy of the unedited version on eBay for seven bucks and gleefully oogled over Pocahontas. Eat that SJWs!
I wonder if it will be worth anything down the road.
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Post by danieljames495 on Apr 12, 2022 9:28:20 GMT -5
Picked up the floppy of the unedited version on eBay for seven bucks and gleefully oogled over Pocahontas. Eat that SJWs! I wonder if it will be worth anything down the road. I'm guessing it will. On my way to snag a copy now just in case  |
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