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Post by karasuthecrow on Apr 12, 2022 14:04:23 GMT -5
The writer Kelly Lynne D'Angelo of the Haudenosaunee Indians tweeted about her disgust at the name of Matoaka in the King Conan comic. I can understand that some American Indians could find the name offensive - I dunno to what extent she really represents the views of American Indian people on twitter? Aaron was right to apologise and even generous enough to donate to the 'National Indigenous Women's Resource Center.' Unfortunately, Marvel did not support Jason Aaron, at least not publicly, and abandoned him to those funny people on twitter that pretend that they know what it is like to be an American Indian. Aaron should have just changed the name of the character to a more Aztec sounding name like the culture the character appears to be from and that shoulda been the end of it. The capitulation leading to the change in the art I cannot agree with - and I find it incredibly insulting to the artist Mahmud Asrar whose art I feel has really excelled on the Conan books. Most of the mexican readers do like the character and most of us actually do complain that she looks like an Aztec-princes but did not have a name in Nahuatl. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2022 15:25:18 GMT -5
The writer Kelly Lynne D'Angelo of the Haudenosaunee Indians tweeted about her disgust at the name of Matoaka in the King Conan comic. I can understand that some American Indians could find the name offensive - I dunno to what extent she really represents the views of American Indian people on twitter? Aaron was right to apologise and even generous enough to donate to the 'National Indigenous Women's Resource Center.' Unfortunately, Marvel did not support Jason Aaron, at least not publicly, and abandoned him to those funny people on twitter that pretend that they know what it is like to be an American Indian. Aaron should have just changed the name of the character to a more Aztec sounding name like the culture the character appears to be from and that shoulda been the end of it. The capitulation leading to the change in the art I cannot agree with - and I find it incredibly insulting to the artist Mahmud Asrar whose art I feel has really excelled on the Conan books. Most of the mexican readers do like the character and most of us actually do complain that she looks like an Aztec-princes but did not have a name in Nahuatl.Yeah, I agree. I also think the Aztec-like civilisation could of been invaded by northern barbarians loosely based on the Na-Dene (Atapaskan) peoples. I dislike the idea of the greedy gold-loving c onquistadors of Acheron, it's just so predictable and boring - it is set in the Hyborian Age, not in the 16th century. I find the location of the Uto-Aztecan and the Na-Dene peoples fascinating and I could imagine some incredible battles between their ancestors in the Hyborian Age. Sorry, I love these maps: Here's the map of the Uto-Aztecans  ..and the Na-Dene.  A battle between the ancestors of these two peoples woulda made more sense than the easterners from Acheron. |
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Post by arcadian on Apr 12, 2022 21:12:02 GMT -5
The comic is getting re-written and re-drawn by Marvel/Disney because of the accusation that Aaron and Asrar were sexualizing a twelve year old girl. That's a damn serious allegation, which should be taken seriously if accurate. But Marvel/Disney is run by spineless sycophants that don't want to investigate or fight any battles. There is no profit in it. Comic book writers and artists are spare parts. The IP is the real treasure and Conan's is merely contractual.
A 2007 a book claimed there was an oral tradition that Pocahontas was raped as a young girl, a claim that is disputed and ultimately unknowable. By using her less publicly known name in a story with a scantily clad woman (though not necessarily by Mesoamerican standards), for some it is as if she is being raped again. That's the core of the issue. The name is already out there, to try to hide the name is to try to further deny what happened.
So Princess Not-Pocahontas is getting rehabilitated into what appears to be a deerskin tunic that makes her appear Powhatan, ditching the obvious Aztec headdress for something blue? That's not Aaron's doing, he wrote a story borrowing from obvious Mesoamerican culture and history. Making her more Powhatan makes him look worse, like his actual intent was always to write about Pocahontas.
I think we are pretty near the end of Conan's non-superhero run at Marvel. Better buy up the old stuff while its still available.
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Post by karasuthecrow on Apr 12, 2022 23:08:36 GMT -5
Most of the mexican readers do like the character and most of us actually do complain that she looks like an Aztec-princes but did not have a name in Nahuatl.Yeah, I agree. I also think the Aztec-like civilisation could of been invaded by northern barbarians loosely based on the Na-Dene (Atapaskan) peoples. I dislike the idea of the greedy gold-loving c onquistadors of Acheron, it's just so predictable and boring - it is set in the Hyborian Age, not in the 16th century. I find the location of the Uto-Aztecan and the Na-Dene peoples fascinating and I could imagine some incredible battles between their ancestors in the Hyborian Age. Sorry, I love these maps: Here's the map of the Uto-Aztecans A battle between the ancestors of these two peoples woulda made more sense than the easterners from Acheron. Actually some theories talking how maybe the Chinese and what we call todya "vikings" interac with the Aztecs have started to appear more and more, there is a mexican animated movie about an aztec princess and a viking warrior meet together to save the world is about to be released. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 6:43:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. I also think the Aztec-like civilisation could of been invaded by northern barbarians loosely based on the Na-Dene (Atapaskan) peoples. I dislike the idea of the greedy gold-loving c onquistadors of Acheron, it's just so predictable and boring - it is set in the Hyborian Age, not in the 16th century. I find the location of the Uto-Aztecan and the Na-Dene peoples fascinating and I could imagine some incredible battles between their ancestors in the Hyborian Age. Sorry, I love these maps: Here's the map of the Uto-Aztecans A battle between the ancestors of these two peoples woulda made more sense than the easterners from Acheron. Actually some theories talking how maybe the Chinese and what we call todya "vikings" interac with the Aztecs have started to appear more and more, there is a mexican animated movie about an aztec princess and a viking warrior meet together to save the world is about to be released. Sounds cool. I've noticed a couple of videos on YouTube about the Viking Aztecs. What's the name of the movie? |
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Post by kemp on Apr 13, 2022 9:36:56 GMT -5
The Viking era ended a few centuries prior to the rise of the Aztecs 13th century onwards, also the Vinland sagas make no mention that they travelled that far south, although there was a Viking settlement in Newfoundland Canada, but that's thousands of miles to the northeast of the Aztec location. As for the wider Mesoamerican legends of the god Quetzalcoatl, well that actually predates the Vikings by a thousand years.
Of course, there is no evidence that some Viking expedition did not make it to Mesoamerica, just unlikely. Vikings also built longhouses, not stone step pyramids. There might have been transatlantic contact between the ancient central Americans and Mediterranian peoples.
Maybe Aaron could do something about a Hyborian age settlement into the 'New World', but stay clear of using names such as Matouka for native American princesses.
Interestingly enough there was some controversay surrounding the Disney Pocahontas with calls to donate to an Indigenous Foundation, wonder if these foundations are all above board, and that the proceeds mostly go towards the intended receipients that these groups were created to enrich and assist, would not like to think that Aaron fell for some 'victim' rort.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2022 10:29:49 GMT -5
The Proto-Aztecs probably should not be there in Aaron's King Conan, yet.
Don't forget that the Tecuhltli and Xotalanc lived in the city of Xuchotl, located somewhere south of Stygia in REH's Red Nails.
Could the Hyborian Age predate their epic migration to the West? Or more likely, East?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2022 4:33:01 GMT -5
 KING CONAN #5 (OF 6)(W) Jason Aaron (A/CA) Mahmud A. Asrar THE TERRIBLE TRIUMPH OF THOTH-AMON!
• For years, THOTH-AMON has attacked CONAN from afar...now, at last, they stand face-to-face on this cursed isle to enter into what may be their FINAL BATTLE!
• Will the showdown for the ages truly end the reign of Conan and his heirs?
• And - a glimpse into the never-before-revealed past of the Stygian wizard - from the boy worshipping Set to the sorcerer who will strike fear into the Hyborian Age with the utterance of the name THOTH-AMON!$3.99 NEW RELEASE DATE: 1 JUNE 2022
KING CONAN #6: Release date to be confirmed. KING CONAN #4: Release date remains 11 May 2022, for now at least |
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Post by karasuthecrow on Apr 14, 2022 13:16:52 GMT -5
Sounds cool. I've noticed a couple of videos on YouTube about the Viking Aztecs.
What's the name of the movie? The movie is "Uma&Haggen" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 0:48:52 GMT -5
The movie is "Uma&Haggen" Thanks Karasuthecrow |
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Post by karasuthecrow on Apr 15, 2022 13:45:49 GMT -5
Your welcome, the movie is yet to be released but hopefully we can see it at some point o this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 13:05:26 GMT -5
 KING CONAN #5 (OF 6)(W) Jason Aaron (A/CA) Mahmud A. Asrar THE TERRIBLE TRIUMPH OF THOTH-AMON!
• For years, THOTH-AMON has attacked CONAN from afar...now, at last, they stand face-to-face on this cursed isle to enter into what may be their FINAL BATTLE!
• Will the showdown for the ages truly end the reign of Conan and his heirs?
• And - a glimpse into the never-before-revealed past of the Stygian wizard - from the boy worshipping Set to the sorcerer who will strike fear into the Hyborian Age with the utterance of the name THOTH-AMON!$3.99 NEW RELEASE DATE: 1 JUNE 2022
KING CONAN #4: Release date remains 11 May 2022  KING CONAN #5 (OF 6)Comic Script by Jason Aaron Cover & Art by Mahmud Asrar
THE FATE OF THE CROWN, THE ISLAND AND THE BARBARIAN KING! CONAN makes his Last Stand! THOTH-AMON shows his true colors! The fate and fortunes of Aquilonia and the Hyborian Age turn! Don't miss the poignant, powerful and unbelievable chapter that closes out this saga of KING CONAN!
$3.99 NEW RELEASE DATE: 6 JULY 2022 |
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Post by karasuthecrow on Apr 16, 2022 23:42:41 GMT -5
Good to see more numbers but I still dont know how Aaron is going to resolved the plot in just 2 numbers.
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Post by kemp on Apr 17, 2022 3:17:09 GMT -5
This is the kind of cover that you want to see when you are picking up an issue off the comic book stands.  |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Apr 17, 2022 18:17:38 GMT -5
Yeah, the art and art direction have been the highpoint of this series. Same with Aaron's original run.
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