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Post by bront on Sept 27, 2016 16:48:53 GMT -5
My visualisation of Hyperborean has already been explained, again reread my posts.
'I never initially saw the Hyperborean's culture as being based on medieval Russia either, but only because I'd not thought that much about their specific culture before reading many of the recent arguments in this area.'
If another poster's arguments have influenced your viewpoints that is fine, but don't go accusing someone else with a different viewpoint of being a 'troll' because they don't share the same conclusions. You seem to take personal umbrage here at my disagreements with Deuce on the subject...... Strange.
Maybe we just need to respective each others different opinions on the subject
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Post by Von K on Sept 27, 2016 20:07:20 GMT -5
I happen to share a lot of the same viewpoints as Deuce on these issues. How you choose to view that is up to you. It wasn’t your difference of opinion that led me to the troll impression, just your general posting demeanour towards (mostly) Deuce. The fact that you only seem to come here to argue, and not engage with our community in any other way, only seemed to highlight that impression even more. I’ll happily apologise if I’m wrong. Maybe we just need to respect each others different opinions on the subject Aye, I'll drink to that. Seems like the best solution to me. |
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Post by deuce on Sept 27, 2016 21:14:54 GMT -5
Tomar is also the name of a 10th century earl, a Jarl, of the Danes, active in Ireland, recorded in the Irish annals. According to your line of reasoning the Hyperboreans are also pseudo Danes. That is one small part of my "line of reasoning". If the Hyperborean king was named "Mugabe" or "Liao", that would be problematic. However, "Tomar" is a Russian name and there are also Tomaroffs, Tomarovs and Tomaroviches from Russia. The way Russian patronymics/surnames usually work, that implies several given-name Tomars (or something really close) sometime in the past. Here's another Russian Tomar from the 1890s: books.google.com/books?id=5PmSAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA76&lpg=PA76&dq=tomar+russia&source=bl&ots=JpHpm5RPl0&sig=OoyEzexfvdK_290AtMBuMj_2PxY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjykp7h97DPAhUDbD4KHZwOCsgQ6AEIJDAC#v=onepage&q=tomar%20russia&f=falseNames are only one part of the puzzle. A lot of other things (depending how much data there is to begin with) have to fall in place as well. All of which is kind of beside the point, since that isn't what you asked. You asked this:
"You find Latin and even Hellenic names peppered throughout REH's Hyborians, for instance Constantius, but I can't find any evidence for a 'Slavic cast' for the Hyperboreans."That's what you posted here: swordsofreh.proboards.com/post/5591You asked for a name of a "Slavic cast" associated with REH's Hyperboreans and I provided one. Nowhere did I say that was the single, defining piece of data. Once again, you set up a straw man and act like knocking it down is something to be proud of.  |
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Post by deuce on Sept 27, 2016 21:59:02 GMT -5
My visualisation of Hyperborean has already been explained, again reread my posts. If it's been explained, then no one else can seem to find it, Bront. Of course, perhaps it's because, as you once boasted, "Listen, I have completed a university major in history with academic qualifications far in excess of you!" Thus, we of (supposed) lesser attainments may not be able to put together the fascinating portrait of the "Brontoboreans" that you've presented to us...somewhere. Apparently we have to reread your "post s" (plural) in order to gain this revelation. That absolutely implies you never stated your "visualization" of the Hyperboreans in one place. I certainly haven't read anything but a "Bori" here and a "Tomar" there. Tell you what. Take it easy on us poor, unqualified peons. Just bring up two screens of this forum. Start a post. Use the other screen to find these scattered little posts you're referring to where you laid it all out for us. Copy the pertinent sentences and paste them into your post. Click on "Create Post". That should clear up everything.  Hell, just post a pic that approximates your vision of the Hyperboreans. No typing and it would be a good start.  |
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Post by deuce on Sept 27, 2016 23:32:19 GMT -5
Von K, you parrot Deuce allot, what's with the Igor thing, smell of sycophant to me.... or is that Deuce aka Von K  Wow. How did I miss this one the first time 'round? Dammit, Bront, you nailed me! Busted me wide open. I had everybody fooled until you came back and cracked that case. "And I woulda pulled it off, too, if it wasn't for that meddlin' BRONT!" Yep, after you joined (and then left) the Old Forum back in early 2012, I waited about 6 or 8 months and then I created a parallel account. I started posting fiction and poems (even though I never did during the 6 previous years as "Deuce"). I even gave feedback and advice to Von K (I mean, myself). I've kept this up for 4yrs now, just so, if you ever showed up, I could have a "double" to post stuff I was somehow "too afraid" to post as "Deuce". It was brilliant! I never truly calculated your intellect and excessive university degree into the equation, though. Hell, since you figured out this much, I might as well come clean. You'd figure it out anyway.  "Zarono" is just li'l ol' me. When I'm not playing like I'm Von K, I'm drawing great (I must say) artwork and posting as "Zarono". You've probably seen me post on this thread under that guise. Also, I'm Dr. Morgan "docpod" Holmes. I'm sure you noticed "him" posting in this thread as well. Even before you ever showed up in 2012, my low animal cunning sensed the danger. So, I created my "docpod" persona around 2006. I knew I would need that arrow in my quiver to face the coming threat. I even got myself a gig blogging at the Castalia House blog as "Morgan". Who knew those morons at the Hugos would nominate me for an award?!? Long before that, I was damn worried about being found out. Since I posted my Hyperborean stuff on the Old Forum and then later, "Morgan Holmes" posted a similar, but unique take on TGR, I figured somebody would put 2 & 2 together. Now that you got wise to my little game, you might as well read it here: www.rehtwogunraconteur.com/articles-essays/the-hyperboreans-re-imagined/Buxie is gonna be so pissed when she finds out I tricked 'er literally thousands of times! Thanks, Bront, I needed a good laugh. |
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Post by bront on Sept 28, 2016 1:14:09 GMT -5
Haha, you and your 'straw man', you got straw in your head Deuce. Your touchy buddy Von K conceded that Tomar might be 'Aesir'. Tomar is an old Indo European name, applied to the Danish Tomar of Ireland as much as anything else, something to think about on this 'Russoborean' thread. Man, you even remember dates when I was on the forum, 'left', and those ol lines, wow, nice to know you care so much  )) You got me laughing too Deuce. |
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Post by bront on Sept 28, 2016 1:21:25 GMT -5
"Listen, I have completed a university major in history with academic qualifications far in excess of you!" Don't recall that one though straw man |
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Post by deuce on Sept 28, 2016 9:17:54 GMT -5
Haha, you and your 'straw man', you got straw in your head Deuce. You keep making "straw man" arguments, Bront, so I keep bringing it up. A "straw man" argument is a logical fallacy well-known in the studies of philosophy, forensic debate and logic. I'll put it into child-like terms that even your "university major in history"-educated mind can grasp. A straw man argument is when you "put words into someone's mouth" and then "refute" what they supposedly said. You keep doing it, so I keep bringing it up. It's almost like you don't have real arguments. "Straw in your head" is an ad hominem argument, BTW. You keep bringing this rhetorical trash to the conversation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem |
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Post by deuce on Sept 28, 2016 9:56:39 GMT -5
"Listen, I have completed a university major in history with academic qualifications far in excess of you!" Don't recall that one though straw man More ad hominems. Maybe your entire post from February 9, 2012 will jog your memory? You were attacking Constantine (much like you attacked me just now). He's a Greek who actually does have a history degree from the University of Athens. But you didn't know that. On with the show...
WHAT IS THIS ?!?
I give civility and in return you give me shite. Listen, I have completed a university major in history with academic qualifications far in excess of you!
I have not taken apart every post you made between yourself and the other members on this thread, and yet you have gone to allot of trouble to belittle my analysis, showing more interest in dissecting and trashing everything I have said point by point, a coward hiding behind the anonyminity of a pc on the other side of the world, derelict of any sound views yourself. This smacks of Obsessive compulsive disorder. Perhaps this medium is your main avenue of social interaction, so maybe this is part of a ‘ special ‘ condition you can’t help. Bah, I will not waste my time responding to an ill mannered little runt with a mental defect who needs a good barbarian head butt.
The rest of you listen up. This thread comparing the Tolkien elf trash with the Hyborian Age has drawn my wrath. No more Mr Nice Guy, so I will tell it you barbarian style.
I represent the Conan fans of popular culture from the 1960’s to the 1980’s. Conan is ancient and dark ages. It is about blood, warriors in dark age mail and thick animal hide surviving in a brutal barbarian age with lost ruins and demons. This is the time of mammoths and remnant neanderthal tribes. Our Knights dress in dark plate mail and thick hides and ride out of impressive dark age keeps, they look like death dealer, no frippery allowed. If it wasn’t for guys like Lin Carter and L Sprague De camp, marvel comics and artists like Frazetta, Conan would simply be the domain of two bit academic wannabes reading 1950’s reprints with crap covers, farting about Shakespeare and Tolkien, imagining Conan like some Robin Hood Errol Flynn Ballerina.
The Hyborian Age is prehistoric meets Celtic iron age, meets the Viking Dark Ages, it is about Conan ditching a refined princess for a harlot or buxom sorceress. It has the attitude of
THAK U"Thak U". How clever. It's amazing that nobody had the brilliance to think of it before you. All of your posts are still on the Old Foum, Bront. Easy to find (as in, 10min or so). If you try to deny posting this, I can have Aggro, another mod from the Old Forum, confirm. Do you "recall" it now? That post is full of ad hominem attacks and arm-chair psychoanalyzing against someone you didn't know and who never had a problem with anyone else on the Old Forum. I'll admit that your post is a little over the top compared to some (but not all)of your posts then and now (we won't discuss the "barbaric sage/guru" post), but you claimed full responsibility for it. We have those posts, too. Maybe you were drunk or off your meds that day and the next few as well? I should mention that the "Tolkien elf trash" you brought up is yet another "straw man" argument from you. Nobody had even mentioned JRRT in that thread, yet you dragged 'im in and "refuted" something that never existed. You're consistent over a four year period, I'll give you that, Bront. Well I hope this jogs your memory and we don't have any more denials about your "qualifications". You were being accurate about that "university major", right? |
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Post by deuce on Sept 28, 2016 11:45:06 GMT -5
Tomar is an old Indo European name, applied to the Danish Tomar of Ireland as much as anything else, something to think about on this 'Russoborean' thread. You never are going to show or tell us what your "visualization" of the Hyperboreans is, are you Bront? |
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Post by bront on Sept 29, 2016 6:48:01 GMT -5
What, you frame my old posts on your walls or something you nut job, not that what I am reading is word for word my stuff, but I dig the 'Thak U'
Now for once stop dancing like a ticked off peacock and make a your arguments to try and at least counter anything I have had so far about Hyperboreans or just shut the 'Thak'up.
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Post by bront on Sept 29, 2016 6:56:52 GMT -5
I already gave my views on the Hyperboreans, my approach, based on the available information at hand, is that they are the prehistoric equivalent of Europeans, rather western Europeans, Hyperboreans having some eastern influence via Hyrkanian and Zamoran admixture. If I had to get imaginative, I would say more Prussian than Russian.
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Post by bront on Sept 29, 2016 7:07:24 GMT -5
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Post by deuce on Sept 29, 2016 7:27:19 GMT -5
I already gave my views on the Hyperboreans, my approach, based on the available information at hand, is that they are the prehistoric equivalent of Europeans, rather western Europeans, Hyperboreans having some eastern influence via Hyrkanian and Zamoran admixture. If I had to get imaginative, I would say more Prussian than Russian. How does Prussia fit with the Hyperborean backstory as given by REH? The Prussians were pretty well-known for not intermarrying outside their "class"/ethnic group. Also, Prussia was essentially founded as a "colony" of Germany/the HRE, an already civilized nation. How does that square with the barbaric northern Hyborian tribe that pushed the "Elder" Hyperboreans out of Hyperborea and became the "Younger" Hyperboreans of Conan's time? The Teutonic Knights had impressive strongholds, but none of them would really rate as a "city" and weren't spoken of in that way at the time. Yet, Robert E. Howard said that Hyperborea was a "shining kingdom" and that it had numerous "cities". I thought you said "REH is good enough for me"? |
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Post by bront on Sept 29, 2016 17:40:27 GMT -5
Nor was the Kyivan Rus state, although medieval Russia was certainly impressive. So how do the Russians fit in with the Hyperborean back story and the early war like Hyborians who are more akin to Celts/Goths than Slavs, and we know that the Ostrogoths migrated east to form a vast empire from the Dniester to the Volga, north the Baltic shores at one point. www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pic%5CN%5CO%5CNovgorod%20castle%20(15th%20century).jpgReread my post, unfortunately I always have to say that. I said if 'I had to get imaginative'. Unlike you with your Russoboreans ,I'm trying not to get too 'imaginative' to the point of being ridiculous. We are talking about the Hyborians as part of the back drop in Conan's world. It was REH's imagination. Who said that he had to fit his 'shining kingdom' with an exact medieval model. He blended ancient and medieval cultures as his imagination saw fit and it worked in that context. You have a lot to learn strawman |
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"Zarono" is just li'l ol' me. When I'm not playing like I'm Von K, I'm drawing great (I must say) artwork and posting as "Zarono". You've probably seen me post on this thread under that guise. 
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