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Post by Von K on Jul 3, 2023 18:26:15 GMT -5
Interesting, but take away the mythological aspect and trolls goblins etc are variants of homo sapiens, maybe in a sense they have existed, go far or perhaps deep enough into the Earth and maybe some still do. Patterson Gimlan film? I keep an open mind. This is going to be a big thread if we're including cryptozoology as well. It makes for wonderful speculation, and like REH once said in a different context 'I am rather opposed to flatly denying anything.' Unknown species are found all the time, mostly from the ocean depths or unexplored forested regions. I too am open to the possibility of Yeti, Bigfoot, remnant descendants of the Neanderthal or whatever they might be - but if it were to be proved that they exist they would likely be hounded or trophy hunted to extinction, so I am content for it to remain a mystery to all but a few discrete individuals if they do. Try the tale of the Giant of Kandahar on for size or the Rock Apes from Vietnam (cf REH's rock throwing great ape from Iron Shadows in the Moon).
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Post by Von K on Jul 3, 2023 19:05:49 GMT -5
The idea of secret UFO retrieval squads always seemed a little odd to me - the notion that supposedly advanced living beings with anti-gravity tech who can cross the vastness of space should suddenly become so accident prone once they get here. The notion of secret retrieval squads for mopping up our own crashed undercover experimental craft however seems far more likely. Anyone remember Capricorn One? I've thought a bit about this a little, seems ridiculous they would would crash but think about how often human spacecraft go haywire, could be they have found some method of crossing the distance in an economical fashion in terms of energy/resources and send out probes all over the universe but their tech isn't flawless (or perhaps some of it is considered expendable and we are just now reaching the point of putting together the pieces we find) Your argument seemed to reinforce my point somewhat. My view is just a hunch Zarono - I make no claims of actually knowing what's going on. My view of aliens would veer more towards the competent, spiritually advanced, discrete, non-interference types than the traditionally touted types that seem like left over 50's sci-fi tropes like the Greys and the Saurians etc (cf kemp's comment about old b/w UFO pics) Howthesomever - there's a big universe out there of which I know about a millionth of a thousandth of a percent.
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 3, 2023 19:17:49 GMT -5
It's been theorized that Bigfoot's ability do go relatively undetected is a result of extradimensional travel. The same has been said of UFOs, that they are dimensional rather than space travel vehicles.
Perhaps they are aspects of the same phenomena?
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 3, 2023 19:19:42 GMT -5
There's another theory that UFOs are human piloted craft from earth's future, the "grays" being hyper-evolved humans.
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Post by Von K on Jul 3, 2023 19:33:53 GMT -5
There's either some secret, advanced tech out there made by someone on Earth, or.... something else entirely. Or perhaps both?
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Post by zarono on Jul 3, 2023 21:01:41 GMT -5
It's been theorized that Bigfoot's ability do go relatively undetected is a result of extradimensional travel. The same has been said of UFOs, that they are dimensional rather than space travel vehicles. Perhaps they are aspects of the same phenomena? Ultraterrestrials
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Post by Jason Aiken on Jul 3, 2023 21:58:17 GMT -5
Okay so we're bringing in Cryptids now, too? Alright, then. You can search for this Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum guy on YouTube and find a ton of videos where he appears. He seems to be the most credible Sasquatch advocate out there. I wish Sasquatch was real, but we've had trap/motion cameras available to the general public for well over a decade now. I would think we'd have caught a decent glimpse of at least one during this time. It's 2023 and the Patterson Gimlin film remains the gold standard! It's fun to theorize about, though. People are obviously seeing SOMETHING out there. I tend to think it harkens back to something in our history, humans seem prone to WANT to see a hairy man in the woods.
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Post by Char-Vell on Jul 4, 2023 6:54:14 GMT -5
I think Sasquatch legends are garbled accounts of prehistoric encounters with Gigantopithecus.
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Post by kemp on Jul 4, 2023 7:33:24 GMT -5
My father had this book lying around decades ago, Richard E Mooney's Colony Earth, published in 1974, the premise was that humans were of extra terrestrial origin, in other words we are the aliens. I think it was the rage in some circles back in the 70's, remember Battlestar Galactica.
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Post by kemp on Jul 4, 2023 8:00:00 GMT -5
I can't judge other people's experiences, some people are dead set that they have encountered UFO phenomena of extra terrestrial origin, and this is all the more complicated when we introduce an extra dimensional aspect to it.
I think irrespective of the information provided to the public some of us are destined to remain sceptical, we may have a situation where contact with alien life form is accepted as a reality by a large component of the human population in the near future, whilst the rest of us will not be able to experience or see it and wonder what all the fuss is about.
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Post by zarono on Jul 4, 2023 8:31:47 GMT -5
I think Sasquatch legends are garbled accounts of prehistoric encounters with Gigantopithecus. Yep, and other larger than average hominid tribes. But I think the truth about most modern encounters Bigfoot was discovered by Steve Austin.
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Post by zarono on Jul 4, 2023 8:42:27 GMT -5
This has largely dropped out of the news cycle, and what actually happened will likely forever be murky but worth adding to the recent lore. Perhaps a case of altered perception of an actual event? If so, the question I find interesting is who or what has the ability to alter the perception of events in realtime?
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Post by zarono on Jul 4, 2023 8:50:38 GMT -5
I'm still at the "UFO nuts need to prove to us that aliens exist," part. When I open my front door and see the aliens right in front of me on my doorstep, and I inspect them myself to prove beyond any doubt that it's actually aliens a foot away from me, maybe I will believe in extraterrestials, but will not care for any 'disclosures' from MSM or government, no ex NASA guy saying he saw 'plenty of aliens' or some politician holding 'alien debris' and declaring 'we have entered a new chapter' or they claim AI has tapped into another dimension and acting as some oracle with alien life form telling us 'obey our politicians'. I was one of those horrible cynics when they had that pandemic thing who kept asking to be shown the sick camps with the thousands of sick and dying people, no one ever could, just wierd stares, but they wanted me to inject myself with some bio stuff on a leap of faith, so I said forget it. For those interested in the topic you can check out Jenny and Clayton Morris Redacted show. "You have 6 months to show your Alien UFO evidence, or else" - US Senate | Redacted w Clayton Morris" Item of interest, did you notice "Morning of the Magicians" on the bookshelf behind the guest?
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Post by monolith on Jul 4, 2023 8:51:41 GMT -5
How great were those old 'The World of Unknown' books, as a kid I would find them in my school library. Ghosts, monsters and of course the UFO one. They are a blast from the past. I recently sold the UFO, Ghosts and Monsters editions on my eBay book shop. It seems that the nostalgia of childhood treasured books is going strong.
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Post by kemp on Jul 4, 2023 9:47:24 GMT -5
Item of interest, did you notice "Morning of the Magicians" on the bookshelf behind the guest? I kind of noticed the 'Space Force' without giving too much attention to the other titles, but mention of 'Morning of the Magicians' brings something else to mind, and that is the connection with the paranormal. It's interesting to consider that alien/UFO extra terrestrial encounters have an element of the supernatural about them, and this is especially true of those claiming to have been abducted by aliens, usually in a half sleep state, an element of doubt where they need to be hypnotised to recall certain events, there is trauma and fear, akin to a night terror dream state, a little like the old stories where fairies abducted humans for a time. This aspect is fascinating to me, and of course when you think about it, the so called depiction of grays have a goblin like appearance about them, perhaps our modern day folklore.
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