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Post by Von K on Nov 23, 2024 20:15:21 GMT -5
The old series was always my favourite of the lot. Scratch the surface of a logical Vulcan and you find a barbarian underneath. The notion of colonies of more barbaric Vulcans still existing in the ST universe would make a lot of sense when you read about their history, leading to the split between Romulans and Vulcans: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Vulcan
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Post by Von K on Nov 23, 2024 20:27:17 GMT -5
The war like Klingons always considered Kirk a 'renegade', but perhaps they were not altogether wrong, Kirk had broken the Prime Directive a number of times. The destruction of the computer Landru which controlled a civilisation case in point. An argument can be made that it was an artificial intelligence that stifled the growth of a living culture and so had to be removed from the equation, but we have no way of knowing the consequences that those actions will have on the inhabitants. Not that it bothers Kirk, note his departing quip “Well, you’re on your own now. I hope you’re up to it.”  From the "The Return of the Archons" Judging by the end bit, in spite of Kirk's apparent nonchalance, it sounds like they left a few Federation teams down on the planet to help guide them into their new future. That clip seems to have some cautionary resonance with the way our own society is headed right now.
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Post by Von K on Nov 23, 2024 20:34:31 GMT -5
Long time since we had a post on Star Trek. Watch: William Shatner’s Captain Kirk Returns In “Unification” Short Film From Roddenberry Archive Here's the short 8 min movie:
765874 - Unification (4K)
And some commentary by the Critical Drinker:
Star Trek Unification - I'm Not Crying, You're Crying!
Just want to add to the above some input from youtuber Dave Cullen who explains some of the lore built into 765874 - Unification, and goes into some of the ramifications of digital film making technology. He's a fan of TOS and TNG but not Nu-Trek. Spoiler warning.
Kirk is Back! I’m Speechless!
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Post by kemp on Nov 23, 2024 22:58:31 GMT -5
The war like Klingons always considered Kirk a 'renegade', but perhaps they were not altogether wrong, Kirk had broken the Prime Directive a number of times. The destruction of the computer Landru which controlled a civilisation case in point. An argument can be made that it was an artificial intelligence that stifled the growth of a living culture and so had to be removed from the equation, but we have no way of knowing the consequences that those actions will have on the inhabitants. Not that it bothers Kirk, note his departing quip “Well, you’re on your own now. I hope you’re up to it.” From the "The Return of the Archons" Judging by the end bit, in spite of Kirk's apparent nonchalance, it sounds like they left a few Federation teams down on the planet to help guide them into their new future. That clip seems to have some cautionary resonance with the way our own society is headed right now.
Indeed, but doesn't the fact that the Federation will now help 'guide' that pre warp society contravene the conventions of the Prime Directive !?! Don't mind me Von K, I'm just having some fun with this .  |
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Post by kemp on Nov 23, 2024 23:04:39 GMT -5
Just want to add to the above some input from youtuber Dave Cullen who explains some of the lore built into 765874 - Unification, and goes into some of the ramifications of digital film making technology. He's a fan of TOS and TNG but not Nu-Trek. Spoiler warning.
Kirk is Back! I’m Speechless!
Unification employed some amazing use of digital technology, credit where credit is due, no el cheapo Marvel movie cartoony nonsense. |
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Post by kemp on Nov 23, 2024 23:23:36 GMT -5
'The Roddenberry Archive: William Shatner: In Conversation'
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Post by Von K on Nov 24, 2024 15:19:19 GMT -5
Great one Kemp, thanks. William Shatner's still sharp as a tack at 93. Re the prime directive maybe it was still being refined in the early years of the federation. Or maybe:  |
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Post by bonesaw on Nov 25, 2024 9:09:07 GMT -5
Wait a second... I don't myself among the most knowledgeable Star Trek when it comes to lore, more of a casual, but frequent viewer of the shows...but is this right? Romulans were originally Vulcans? I did a little bit of research just now and confirmed that yes, Romulans have roots with both human and ancient vulcans, but where did the reptilian features come from? |
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Post by johnnypt on Nov 25, 2024 13:14:59 GMT -5
Wait a second... I don't myself among the most knowledgeable Star Trek when it comes to lore, more of a casual, but frequent viewer of the shows...but is this right? Romulans were originally Vulcans? I did a little bit of research just now and confirmed that yes, Romulans have roots with both human and ancient vulcans, but where did the reptilian features come from? Are you mixing up the Romulans and the Klingons? I still don’t know the exact story they came up with for the deformed Klingons and the regular ones. They did come up with one, just not sure the exact details. The fact Romulans and Vulcans were similar looking was a big part of their debut episode Balance of Terror (the lead Romulan was played by Mark Lenard, who later played Spock’s father Sarek!) |
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Post by kemp on Nov 25, 2024 18:25:24 GMT -5
Many Romulans have the two brow ridges above their nose giving a kind of v shaped look. In the original series they looked exactly like Vulcans, but both versions are correct. That is, many Romulans lack these ridges which makes them look exactly like Vulcans, depends from which hemisphere of Romulus they are from. The better looking Romulans according to my prejudiced Terran male brain.  |
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Post by kemp on Nov 25, 2024 18:42:14 GMT -5
There are also Remans, a formerly slave caste in Romulan society from the planet Remus, not sure if they are a completely separate species, or perhaps some hybrid genetically altered type of telepathic Vulcans. In any case, ugly suckers.  |
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Post by bonesaw on Nov 26, 2024 7:59:37 GMT -5
Wait a second... I don't myself among the most knowledgeable Star Trek when it comes to lore, more of a casual, but frequent viewer of the shows...but is this right? Romulans were originally Vulcans? I did a little bit of research just now and confirmed that yes, Romulans have roots with both human and ancient vulcans, but where did the reptilian features come from? Are you mixing up the Romulans and the Klingons? I still don’t know the exact story they came up with for the deformed Klingons and the regular ones. They did come up with one, just not sure the exact details. The fact Romulans and Vulcans were similar looking was a big part of their debut episode Balance of Terror (the lead Romulan was played by Mark Lenard, who later played Spock’s father Sarek!) I totally did, but I mixed Romulans up with Cardiassians, which I have done before. |
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