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Post by johnnypt on Jun 13, 2024 4:59:21 GMT -5
Lessee…the Republic and the Jedi think what the witches are teaching could be used for evil. The witches say otherwise and threaten the Jedi. When one of the children, of her own free will, chooses to go with the Jedi, the other one tries to kill her and ends up killing everyone else because of what she’s been taught about the Jedi.
And, wait for it….we’re supposed to side with the witches! There might have been an interesting take in there, but again we’ve seen all the evil this character has been doing and now you show us why which is supposed to make us sympathize with her. Didn’t work.
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Post by bonesaw on Jun 13, 2024 11:46:13 GMT -5
Lessee…the Republic and the Jedi think what the witches are teaching could be used for evil. The witches say otherwise and threaten the Jedi. When one of the children, of her own free will, chooses to go with the Jedi, the other one tries to kill her and ends up killing everyone else because of what she’s been taught about the Jedi. And, wait for it….we’re supposed to side with the witches! There might have been an interesting take in there, but again we’ve seen all the evil this character has been doing and now you show us why which is supposed to make us sympathize with her. Didn’t work. Jesus. That sounds awfully convoluted. Terrible. Something akin to what I left in the toilet this morning.
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Post by redpage on Jun 13, 2024 12:23:25 GMT -5
Just finished watching episode 2 and 3. It is really just okay. Very much an okay show with some good parts, and some really dumb parts.
Good: The ships, Lee Jung-jae, Carrie-Ann Moss, I like the robes, the wookie has the sides of his head shaved like a samurai.
the Bad: The story is just blah, and the writers just seem to accidently make the opposite points that they are attempting to make. And the acting dear Lord the acting.
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Post by johnnypt on Jun 13, 2024 15:07:50 GMT -5
Just finished watching episode 2 and 3. It is really just okay. Very much an okay show with some good parts, and some really dumb parts. Good: The ships, Lee Jung-jae, Carrie-Ann Moss, I like the robes, the wookie has the sides of his head shaved like a samurai. the Bad: The story is just blah, and the writers just seem to accidently make the opposite points that they are attempting to make. And the acting dear Lord the acting. It was nice Carrie Ann got something more to do. It is striking comparing her and Lee with the other characters. You can see the experienced actors can make something out of a little. The writing is the worst culprit. They said they wanted this episode to be like Rashomon, every viewer can take away something different. Sounds more like lazy writing to me. Someone actually said I didn’t understand the story because I didn’t pay attention to the trailer. I’m sorry but if I have to watch a trailer to understand the actual show, you’re doing it wrong. Lots of name calling but not much defense of the actual points people are raising.
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Post by Von K on Jun 13, 2024 15:55:18 GMT -5
I'll give them credit for featuring a Wookie Jedi, Kelnacca. RT audience score down to 19%, will be down to 18% in about 6 hrs probably - right on target. No surprise there I guess. www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_wars_the_acolyteMetacritic has it around 42% audience score.
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Post by Von K on Jun 13, 2024 21:41:15 GMT -5
Just finished watching episode 2 and 3. It is really just okay. Very much an okay show with some good parts, and some really dumb parts. Good: The ships, Lee Jung-jae, Carrie-Ann Moss, I like the robes, the wookie has the sides of his head shaved like a samurai. the Bad: The story is just blah, and the writers just seem to accidently make the opposite points that they are attempting to make. And the acting dear Lord the acting. It was nice Carrie Ann got something more to do. It is striking comparing her and Lee with the other characters. You can see the experienced actors can make something out of a little. The writing is the worst culprit. They said they wanted this episode to be like Rashomon, every viewer can take away something different. Sounds more like lazy writing to me. Someone actually said I didn’t understand the story because I didn’t pay attention to the trailer. I’m sorry but if I have to watch a trailer to understand the actual show, you’re doing it wrong. Lots of name calling but not much defense of the actual points people are raising. Aye, Carrie and Lee's experience seems to brought some much needed gravitas like Ray Stevenson's performance and commitment brought to Ahsoka. Both could have been iconic Jedi if this show had been well written.
RT audience score dropped to 18% about an hour ago - right on schedule.
Metacritic audience score just rose from 42% to 43% but some of those replies seem dodgy like the following person who gave it a 10: Tell me that's not a bot or an AI.
As Drinker would say despairingly: 'Make it make sense.'
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Post by Erik on Jun 14, 2024 10:21:08 GMT -5
Strange, I have only a vague recollection of those two pictures that you just shared, but perhaps it's been too long. Regarding the first pic, isn't the creature on the far right the same species as the laughing one that Jabba the Hut had in his palace? Regarding your comment about the midichlorians, does that mean we could have a Porg that's strong in the Force? Crazy. Right, she must've collected those pictures over time, because she was loaded with 'em. You could be right, very long time since I've seen RotJ. That or maybe one of the critters in the pod race during Phantom Menace?
Re Midichlorians - perhaps that's one of the problems raised by George rationalizing a mystical phenomena with a materialistic explanation?
Well, I looked up Salacious Crumb (can't believe I remembered his name) and that creature looks exactly like him. According to Wookieepedia, he's a Kowakian monkey-lizard from the planet Kowak. lol! Yeah, the biggest issue, I think, is that that explanation sucked the magic and mystery right out of it.
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Post by Von K on Jun 15, 2024 17:30:11 GMT -5
You could be right, very long time since I've seen RotJ. That or maybe one of the critters in the pod race during Phantom Menace?
Re Midichlorians - perhaps that's one of the problems raised by George rationalizing a mystical phenomena with a materialistic explanation?
Well, I looked up Salacious Crumb (can't believe I remembered his name) and that creature looks exactly like him. According to Wookieepedia, he's a Kowakian monkey-lizard from the planet Kowak. lol! Yeah, the biggest issue, I think, is that that explanation sucked the magic and mystery right out of it. Re Kowakian monkey lizards - I don't think any live action sci-fi show can compete with Star Wars for the sheer number and variety of it's non-humanoid creature types. Nearest is probably Farscape with Henson puppetry and animatronics - hard to say what the frell some of those critters were, living bio-mechanoid spaceships etc!
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Post by Erik on Jun 16, 2024 9:39:51 GMT -5
Well, I looked up Salacious Crumb (can't believe I remembered his name) and that creature looks exactly like him. According to Wookieepedia, he's a Kowakian monkey-lizard from the planet Kowak. lol! Yeah, the biggest issue, I think, is that that explanation sucked the magic and mystery right out of it. Re Kowakian monkey lizards - I don't think any live action sci-fi show can compete with Star Wars for the sheer number and variety of it's non-humanoid creature types. Nearest is probably Farscape with Henson puppetry and animatronics - hard to say what the frell some of those critters were, living bio-mechanoid spaceships etc!
Right, maybe Star Trek would be up there too. I've never seen Farscape, though, so I can't speak to that.
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Post by Von K on Jun 16, 2024 18:23:03 GMT -5
Re Kowakian monkey lizards - I don't think any live action sci-fi show can compete with Star Wars for the sheer number and variety of it's non-humanoid creature types. Nearest is probably Farscape with Henson puppetry and animatronics - hard to say what the frell some of those critters were, living bio-mechanoid spaceships etc!
Right, maybe Star Trek would be up there too. I've never seen Farscape, though, so I can't speak to that. Yeah, Star Trek could well be no 1 if all the humanoid aliens are included as well. The species designated by the Borg as 8472 (from Voyager) was probably the most non-human they attempted. They did a decent job digitally but couldn't quite match the physicality of having actual creatures for the actors to interact with the way they did using animatronics in Farscape imho.
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Post by irondavith on Jun 17, 2024 3:25:43 GMT -5
I don't think I'm even going to watch it, based on the IMDB reviews so far. I love Star Wars, but nothing great has come out for a long time. I'm no purist - the original three are brilliant films that mean a lot to me and I just rewatched them with my kids, who loved them too - but I don't hate the prequels, and I've enjoyed many of the novels and comics as well. But in the last 15 years everything has been very, very average (or worse). The main problem I've found is that there have been flashes of good moments in the sequels, Obi Wan, Mandalorian, Andor, Rogue One, but so inconsistent they just don't hold up well overall. I only watched the first episode of Ashoka and decided it was utter tripe. But I'm guess I'm not their target audience any more... Right with your assessment- original trilogy is classic, prequels were serviceable and had compartmentalized cool scenes (pod race, maul fight, etc.), older comics and novels were great. I would add to that the Clone Wars and Rebels (which I am almost done watching) are both great too. I won't go near anything outside of that given the inception of political agenda that began with The Force Awakens. For me that kicked off this whole pile of steamy garage, that sure, may have a few decent moments within, but the hell if I am going sift through it and give any of my time or ratings to. I'm convinced that they don't even think about "target audiences" anymore either. I don't even think they care that much about profit. Disney is so propped up and so seemingly sustainable as a foundational fixture of culture that they have the ability to only think about agenda. The story, characters and everything else are created with that in mind first and foremost. "Put a chic in it and make her gay." Starting the introductory "creative" meetings with what demographics they need to fulfill with their characters to be fully "inclusive" and "diverse" and also make sure they go out of their way to thumb their nose at anybody who isn't into their world view. I never really had Clone Wars or Rebels on my radar, but after what you and others on here have said, I'll check them out!
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Post by redpage on Jun 17, 2024 11:38:29 GMT -5
Right with your assessment- original trilogy is classic, prequels were serviceable and had compartmentalized cool scenes (pod race, maul fight, etc.), older comics and novels were great. I would add to that the Clone Wars and Rebels (which I am almost done watching) are both great too. I won't go near anything outside of that given the inception of political agenda that began with The Force Awakens. For me that kicked off this whole pile of steamy garage, that sure, may have a few decent moments within, but the hell if I am going sift through it and give any of my time or ratings to. I'm convinced that they don't even think about "target audiences" anymore either. I don't even think they care that much about profit. Disney is so propped up and so seemingly sustainable as a foundational fixture of culture that they have the ability to only think about agenda. The story, characters and everything else are created with that in mind first and foremost. "Put a chic in it and make her gay." Starting the introductory "creative" meetings with what demographics they need to fulfill with their characters to be fully "inclusive" and "diverse" and also make sure they go out of their way to thumb their nose at anybody who isn't into their world view. I never really had Clone Wars or Rebels on my radar, but after what you and others on here have said, I'll check them out! For Clone Wars just push through the first bit, it gets better and better as you go.
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Post by Erik on Jun 17, 2024 17:30:12 GMT -5
Right, maybe Star Trek would be up there too. I've never seen Farscape, though, so I can't speak to that. Yeah, Star Trek could well be no 1 if all the humanoid aliens are included as well. The species designated by the Borg as 8472 (from Voyager) was probably the most non-human they attempted. They did a decent job digitally but couldn't quite match the physicality of having actual creatures for the actors to interact with the way they did using animatronics in Farscape imho.
It actually makes more sense for there to be more non-humanoid races in the universe, because why would aliens living on planets very unlike Earth look anything like us? But I'm sure budget limitations and/or technological limitations made that challenging for some of those older shows.
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Post by irondavith on Jun 18, 2024 10:14:05 GMT -5
I never really had Clone Wars or Rebels on my radar, but after what you and others on here have said, I'll check them out! For Clone Wars just push through the first bit, it gets better and better as you go. Right, good to know, cheers!
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Post by Von K on Jun 18, 2024 19:18:10 GMT -5
Yeah, Star Trek could well be no 1 if all the humanoid aliens are included as well. The species designated by the Borg as 8472 (from Voyager) was probably the most non-human they attempted. They did a decent job digitally but couldn't quite match the physicality of having actual creatures for the actors to interact with the way they did using animatronics in Farscape imho.
It actually makes more sense for there to be more non-humanoid races in the universe, because why would aliens living on planets very unlike Earth look anything like us? But I'm sure budget limitations and/or technological limitations made that challenging for some of those older shows. I think you're right . Back then they did the best they could with what they had and did damn well for the most part, especially with the Alien and Cameron's The Thing. Nowadays we have the luxury of slick cgi and procedural random generation algorithms to emulate that, like the game No Man’s Sky:
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