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Post by Von K on Aug 6, 2024 14:08:36 GMT -5
What did everyone think of the hour long Season 3 trailer Season 2 finale on Sunday? Thought it was a great episode eight if the season had had ten episodes, but a poor choice for an end of season episode. They'd have done better to have given us another two episodes with some climactic pay off for all of the build up during the second half of season 2. I get the sense that they've finished season two early in order to pack all the action into season 3. The problem with doing it this way is that in two years few will remember much of the build up unless they re-watch season 2 first. I suspect that episodes 1 and 2 of season three will make great end of s2 episodes. All of this will not bother people who wait to watch it all at once after it's finished, but is a little frustrating for those of us who are following along due to the immense wait between seasons.
The final scene between Rhaenyra and Alicent felt somewhat awkward to the point where both of them seemed out of character. Even the actresses seemed to feel this as they acted the scene. The point of the scene was to show how both of them are being obliged by circumstances to do harsh things against their own better natures, but the show did not do enough to back them into a corner sufficiently to warrant them making these decisions at this point in time, thus it seemed more as if they were simply acting out of character rather than being forced to act against their character by circumstances. If they had showed Aemond (actively) razing that town as an atrocity of war closer to the final scene it would have helped establish the necessity of their choices somewhat better I feel.
Because of that, the resolution of Damon's arc at Harrenhall carried more climactic weight imho. [/SPOILER]
It was still a decent episode, but arguably the weakest of the season.
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Post by Von K on Aug 6, 2024 16:16:10 GMT -5
I found a bit of explanatory context on the shortened season with some input from one of the executive producers and the showrunner Ryan:
'House of the Dragon' Season 2's Shorter Episode Order "Wasn't Really Our Choice," Says Showrunner
I ought to add that Ramin Djawadi's music is great. It's been somewhat in the background and understated throughout the season but came to the fore during the teaser montage at the end of episode eight, where he reprized the themes of the various houses.
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Post by Erik on Aug 7, 2024 11:07:04 GMT -5
I liked the finale, but I didn't love it. I was surprised that there were no big battles - Not a single person was killed. The second meeting between Rhaenyra and Alicent was unexpected too. I wasn't crazy about that happening again either, as nothing of the sort ever occurred in the book. After everything that's happened (and their children being harmed or murdered as a result), they're both a little too calm with one another. To me, such meetings are just reckless and stupid anyway. There were plenty of cliffhangers to set everything up for some intense confrontations, though, so it did leave me eager for next season.
I agree about the soundtrack. I need to get my hands on it.
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Post by Von K on Aug 9, 2024 14:01:31 GMT -5
Yes, it is a bit unrealistic and convenient how Alicent and Rhaenyra seem to keep meeting up with such relative ease.
They could have done with a big event like episode 4 had to end the season. My biggest gripe though is not being able to dive straight into the next episode! Season 3 ought to have a lot more action.
Ramin Djawadi did the soundtrack for the first Iron Man movie as well apparently.
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 10, 2024 21:04:19 GMT -5
Man, it sucks not having a quality fantasy series to watch on a Sunday night. Dunk & Egg can't get here soon enough.
He'll, at this point I would settle for a livestream of the upcoming Tourney at Harrenhall stageplay.
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Post by Erik on Aug 11, 2024 15:31:35 GMT -5
Hey, I'd watch the Tourney at Harrenhall stageplay lol Yes, it is a bit unrealistic and convenient how Alicent and Rhaenyra seem to keep meeting up with such relative ease. They could have done with a big event like episode 4 had to end the season. My biggest gripe though is not being able to dive straight into the next episode! Season 3 ought to have a lot more action. Ramin Djawadi did the soundtrack for the first Iron Man movie as well apparently. I could almost understand Rhaenyra travelling to the meeting, as she could ride her dragon during the night and then land out of sight somewhere (though I don't think she did that for the first visit). But for Alicent, it seems especially reckless. Yes, I'm expecting season 3 to start with a bang. I hope it doesn't disappoint! Nice! I think I recall reading that awhile back. |
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Post by Von K on Aug 12, 2024 17:00:48 GMT -5
Yeah, 2 years is going to be a heck of a long time to wait for season 3. Dunk and Egg should be out in about a year with a bit of luck. There's been no news on the Jon Snow project or Robert's Rebellion, but there have been some rumblings about a potential show based on Aegon's Conquest.
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 12, 2024 19:04:46 GMT -5
Didn’t they kill the Jon Snow project? Or did they revive it then do nothing with it?
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Post by Erik on Aug 13, 2024 16:02:02 GMT -5
Last I heard, the Jon Snow project was cancelled, yeah. Yeah, 2 years is going to be a heck of a long time to wait for season 3. Dunk and Egg should be out in about a year with a bit of luck. There's been no news on the Jon Snow project or Robert's Rebellion, but there have been some rumblings about a potential show based on Aegon's Conquest. TWO years?? !@#$... Well, at least we'll have Dunk and Egg. |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 13, 2024 16:48:10 GMT -5
Those are going to be a long two years, indeed. I think this series will easily go five seasons at this pacing and episode count. I was hoping for three seasons, keeping it tight and fast-paced but that doesn't seem to be the plan.
I wonder if 2025 will see the publishers force GRRM to release what he has of Winds of Winter. They've milked Fire & Blood for all it's worth.
As for Jon Snow, I don't think the appetite for anything connected to how the TV show ended is enough to greenlight the project.
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 13, 2024 18:52:23 GMT -5
Those are going to be a long two years, indeed. I think this series will easily go five seasons at this pacing and episode count. I was hoping for three seasons, keeping it tight and fast-paced but that doesn't seem to be the plan. I wonder if 2025 will see the publishers force GRRM to release what he has of Winds of Winter. They've milked Fire & Blood for all it's worth. As for Jon Snow, I don't think the appetite for anything connected to how the TV show ended is enough to greenlight the project. Ryan’s said he intends four seasons, it seems about right from what I know of the story. This whole thing is one of those oddities: George has this whole book to write, yet smack dab in the middle, he not only writes a whole ‘nuther book, it gets its own series! Right around the time we were talking about the Jon Snow series, Kit Harrington had an interview where he said he had a hand in killing it, he didn’t find the material would be worth a whole series. He also didn’t want to go back to the grind of the series, it took a big toll on him. |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 14, 2024 9:47:54 GMT -5
Those are going to be a long two years, indeed. I think this series will easily go five seasons at this pacing and episode count. I was hoping for three seasons, keeping it tight and fast-paced but that doesn't seem to be the plan. I wonder if 2025 will see the publishers force GRRM to release what he has of Winds of Winter. They've milked Fire & Blood for all it's worth. As for Jon Snow, I don't think the appetite for anything connected to how the TV show ended is enough to greenlight the project. Ryan’s said he intends four seasons, it seems about right from what I know of the story. This whole thing is one of those oddities: George has this whole book to write, yet smack dab in the middle, he not only writes a whole ‘nuther book, it gets its own series! Right around the time we were talking about the Jon Snow series, Kit Harrington had an interview where he said he had a hand in killing it, he didn’t find the material would be worth a whole series. He also didn’t want to go back to the grind of the series, it took a big toll on him. He allegedly already had a lot of Fire & Blood written, it just needed to be fleshed out but still... I know a lot of people were upset when he prioritized that, but I really think he's stuck somewhere in Winds of Winter so it probably didn't make much of a difference. I think he's perhaps in a Northern knot of some kind. A lot of shit is going on up there with several POV characters, and he's already admitted that he struggles with the Bran chapters due to the magic involved. Since he's a gardener instead of an outliner, I think these books are just starting to get out of control on him. |
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Post by johnnypt on Aug 14, 2024 12:02:17 GMT -5
Ryan’s said he intends four seasons, it seems about right from what I know of the story. This whole thing is one of those oddities: George has this whole book to write, yet smack dab in the middle, he not only writes a whole ‘nuther book, it gets its own series! Right around the time we were talking about the Jon Snow series, Kit Harrington had an interview where he said he had a hand in killing it, he didn’t find the material would be worth a whole series. He also didn’t want to go back to the grind of the series, it took a big toll on him. He allegedly already had a lot of Fire & Blood written, it just needed to be fleshed out but still... I know a lot of people were upset when he prioritized that, but I really think he's stuck somewhere in Winds of Winter so it probably didn't make much of a difference. I think he's perhaps in a Northern knot of some kind. A lot of shit is going on up there with several POV characters, and he's already admitted that he struggles with the Bran chapters due to the magic involved. Since he's a gardener instead of an outliner, I think these books are just starting to get out of control on him. Maybe Bantam went to him and asked “Ok, but can you give us SOMETHING?!?” Hasn’t he been stuck at 700 pages of WoW for several years now? Might be time to pull a Crows/Dragon again, tie up what’s there and move everything else over to Dream. |
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Post by Jason Aiken on Aug 14, 2024 16:09:07 GMT -5
He allegedly already had a lot of Fire & Blood written, it just needed to be fleshed out but still... I know a lot of people were upset when he prioritized that, but I really think he's stuck somewhere in Winds of Winter so it probably didn't make much of a difference. I think he's perhaps in a Northern knot of some kind. A lot of shit is going on up there with several POV characters, and he's already admitted that he struggles with the Bran chapters due to the magic involved. Since he's a gardener instead of an outliner, I think these books are just starting to get out of control on him. Maybe Bantam went to him and asked “Ok, but can you give us SOMETHING?!?” Hasn’t he been stuck at 700 pages of WoW for several years now? Might be time to pull a Crows/Dragon again, tie up what’s there and move everything else over to Dream. His page count from 2023 is identical to the last update in 2024. Not to say he didn't work on it, he did revise, etc... but he's basically stuck at 1100 manuscript pages with "hundreds of more to write" for TWOW. I agree, it's time for a split and a tight Dream of Spring to wrap things up. It's not ideal but one needs to be realistic. |
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Post by Von K on Aug 14, 2024 18:35:29 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere GRRM saying that he thought he'd killed off a character who in retrospect he shouldn't have. His approach to writing contrasts quite a lot from J K Rowling, who had all seven books worked out in detail in advance.
Hope he manages to stay true to his own creative vision and wrap ASoIaF up satisfactorily. Can't be easy with all that pressure from the fandom.
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